About six months ago I again posted a complaint about Brent who never finished MCLV but who kept promising he would. At that time he promised to have it ready by the end of February, 2004. At this point I'm not encouraged. Hopefully he's been working on it and will post the final update in the next couple of weeks. If anybody knows how to reach him, please send him a reminder of his latest promise.
I've been a supporter of spwaw and the mega campaigns for more than three years. I'm constantly overwhelmed at the amount of work and devotion put into this game by Matrix and volunteers. It's a real shame to see mclv go unfinished for almost two years.
I It's almost time
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Les_the_Sarge_9_1
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RE: I It's almost time
Refresh me, what exactly is "wrong" with it. I know you have a complaint, and potentially well thought out, I just don't recall it.
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
RE: I It's almost time
You don't recall it?
Ok, there is missing some historical data etc from the end of the game. Brent acknowledges this. He has promised over and over to produce the final update. It's not a bug. The scenarios can be played without a problem. But the game isn't finished. Since I paid for it I don't feel I'm being unreasonable in wanting it to be completed. And it's been almost two years. It's past being ridiculous, don't you think?
Ok, there is missing some historical data etc from the end of the game. Brent acknowledges this. He has promised over and over to produce the final update. It's not a bug. The scenarios can be played without a problem. But the game isn't finished. Since I paid for it I don't feel I'm being unreasonable in wanting it to be completed. And it's been almost two years. It's past being ridiculous, don't you think?
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RE: I It's almost time
How are you going there rich666?
Keeping busy?
Waiting for patches and new games is like waiting for peace in the middle east!
Keeping busy?
Waiting for patches and new games is like waiting for peace in the middle east!
Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away;
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.
You better watch out,
There may be dogs about
I've looked over Iraq, and i have seen
Things are not what they seem.
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Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.
You better watch out,
There may be dogs about
I've looked over Iraq, and i have seen
Things are not what they seem.
Matrix Axis of Evil
RE: I It's almost time
ORIGINAL: Muzrub
How are you going there rich666?
Keeping busy?
Waiting for patches and new games is like waiting for peace in the middle east!
[:D][:D] Well said!
RE: I It's almost time
rich was much more restrained than usual. [;)]
He does have a point too. A paid for product should be finished, especially if someone said it would be. If someone said 'No, its not going to be finished', then I would say rich should give it up. That's not the case. Don't say you will do something and not do it.
I notice people say 'But its playable to the finish. That other stuff is just extra." I submit to you that the other 'extra' stuff is what you buy a mega campaign for in the first place, is it not?
Either way, I think rich was very polite this time, lol...[:'(]
Goblin
He does have a point too. A paid for product should be finished, especially if someone said it would be. If someone said 'No, its not going to be finished', then I would say rich should give it up. That's not the case. Don't say you will do something and not do it.
I notice people say 'But its playable to the finish. That other stuff is just extra." I submit to you that the other 'extra' stuff is what you buy a mega campaign for in the first place, is it not?
Either way, I think rich was very polite this time, lol...[:'(]
Goblin
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RE: I It's almost time
Ok...I got involved with this topic the last time around...and that turned into a "weeping wound" topic....so here's my final piece on the matter.
IT WILL GET DONE THE DAY BRENT DECIDES IT IS THE TOP PRIORITY OF MATRIX GAMES TO DO IT!
I'm not trying to defend the delay involved...but this should be painfully obvious to even the dimmest of light bulbs by now that the "missing work" on LV is not on their top ten list.
IT WILL GET DONE THE DAY BRENT DECIDES IT IS THE TOP PRIORITY OF MATRIX GAMES TO DO IT!
I'm not trying to defend the delay involved...but this should be painfully obvious to even the dimmest of light bulbs by now that the "missing work" on LV is not on their top ten list.
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RE: I It's almost time
ORIGINAL: Goblin
rich was much more restrained than usual. [;)]
He does have a point too. A paid for product should be finished, especially if someone said it would be. If someone said 'No, its not going to be finished', then I would say rich should give it up. That's not the case. Don't say you will do something and not do it.
I notice people say 'But its playable to the finish. That other stuff is just extra." I submit to you that the other 'extra' stuff is what you buy a mega campaign for in the first place, is it not?
Either way, I think rich was very polite this time, lol...[:'(]
Goblin
Well said.
Now, can we bury this topic?
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RE: I It's almost time
How are you going there rich666?
Keeping busy?
Well Muzzie I see you finally came over to spwaw. Nice to hear from you.
I notice people say 'But its playable to the finish. That other stuff is just extra." I submit to you that the other 'extra' stuff is what you buy a mega campaign for in the first place, is it not?
Hi Goblin, you're exactly right. Otherwise why not just play one of the free campaigns, or the long campaign. $25 plus shipping for a mega is a lot when you consider all the free stuff there. I don't believe it's asking a lot for it to be finished. And yes, it wasn't easy to be restrained. After waiting almost two years I'm just about at the boiling point.
IT WILL GET DONE THE DAY BRENT DECIDES IT IS THE TOP PRIORITY OF MATRIX GAMES TO DO IT!
This is CRAP. He has promised over and over again. It's time to quit promising and start delivering.
Now, can we bury this topic?
Just as soon as one of two things happen.
1. Brent posts the final update.
2. Brent says he's never going to finish the game thereby saying screw all the people who bought it.
Keeping busy?
Well Muzzie I see you finally came over to spwaw. Nice to hear from you.
I notice people say 'But its playable to the finish. That other stuff is just extra." I submit to you that the other 'extra' stuff is what you buy a mega campaign for in the first place, is it not?
Hi Goblin, you're exactly right. Otherwise why not just play one of the free campaigns, or the long campaign. $25 plus shipping for a mega is a lot when you consider all the free stuff there. I don't believe it's asking a lot for it to be finished. And yes, it wasn't easy to be restrained. After waiting almost two years I'm just about at the boiling point.
IT WILL GET DONE THE DAY BRENT DECIDES IT IS THE TOP PRIORITY OF MATRIX GAMES TO DO IT!
This is CRAP. He has promised over and over again. It's time to quit promising and start delivering.
Now, can we bury this topic?
Just as soon as one of two things happen.
1. Brent posts the final update.
2. Brent says he's never going to finish the game thereby saying screw all the people who bought it.
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Orzel Bialy
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RE: I It's almost time
Rich,
Every six months or so you post the same crap...how you feel ripped off because the missing material hasn't been delivered yet...and you take your pokes at Brent as if you expect that will result in some magical appearance of the promised data.
At this point why don't you PM David Heath and just ask for some sort of refund and/or compensation...and then get on with your life?
Every six months or so you post the same crap...how you feel ripped off because the missing material hasn't been delivered yet...and you take your pokes at Brent as if you expect that will result in some magical appearance of the promised data.
At this point why don't you PM David Heath and just ask for some sort of refund and/or compensation...and then get on with your life?
RE: I It's almost time
Wow Orzel, I gotta say that I think you are going overboard on someone that doesn't deserve it.
I was raised so that when I say I will do something, I do it, or say that I have failed to live up to what I said I would do. Either way, no one is kept guessing and baited along. You honestly think rich is just trying to be an idiot? He paid for something, and if told a year ago that the thing was just going to not be done, then would have not brought it up again. But he has not been told that.
Sorry, but I would call my own brother on it if he said he would do something and didn't. I have nothing against Brent, and you know it. I wonder how you would like to get jumped on when you have a complaint soetime, that you believe to be legitimate?
Goblin
I was raised so that when I say I will do something, I do it, or say that I have failed to live up to what I said I would do. Either way, no one is kept guessing and baited along. You honestly think rich is just trying to be an idiot? He paid for something, and if told a year ago that the thing was just going to not be done, then would have not brought it up again. But he has not been told that.
Sorry, but I would call my own brother on it if he said he would do something and didn't. I have nothing against Brent, and you know it. I wonder how you would like to get jumped on when you have a complaint soetime, that you believe to be legitimate?
Goblin
RE: I It's almost time
Here we go again. [:-]
Rich has a point. One cannot deny that. I don't think, however, it will be settled here. The fact that this has not been addressed deserves attention. If it it going to be done, it should be done. If it is not going to be done, then that should be stated.
Brent Richards is one of my closest war-gaming buddies. We've been through a lot together. We shared a lot together. He is a good man. When we had the opportunity last year to meet in Atlanta during his visit and broke bread together, it was a very rewarding experience.
I would defend Brent to anyone anywhere. So I am not speaking out against him by what I am now writing.
I also feel that Rich has made some very positive contributions to this forum and seems to be a level headed gentleman.
By way of clarification, a Mega Campaign is a series of scenarios but it is much more as though who have worked on them or played them know very well. It is a complete package of writing, history, insights, pictures, information AND battles. It should all be there.
If Rich had been told earlier that this was not going to be done, the issue would have already been settled, right or wrong. But as I remember, he was told to hold on...or am I wrong here?
He has held on and deserves an answer ... not from me, or any of us except Brent and/or David Heath. I hope that will be forthcoming.
I would reiterate the suggestion, Rich, that you write both David and Brent and ask for a definitive reply. Only there are you going to get your final answer.
I hope it is resolved soon, one way or the other.
Rich has a point. One cannot deny that. I don't think, however, it will be settled here. The fact that this has not been addressed deserves attention. If it it going to be done, it should be done. If it is not going to be done, then that should be stated.
Brent Richards is one of my closest war-gaming buddies. We've been through a lot together. We shared a lot together. He is a good man. When we had the opportunity last year to meet in Atlanta during his visit and broke bread together, it was a very rewarding experience.
I would defend Brent to anyone anywhere. So I am not speaking out against him by what I am now writing.
I also feel that Rich has made some very positive contributions to this forum and seems to be a level headed gentleman.
By way of clarification, a Mega Campaign is a series of scenarios but it is much more as though who have worked on them or played them know very well. It is a complete package of writing, history, insights, pictures, information AND battles. It should all be there.
If Rich had been told earlier that this was not going to be done, the issue would have already been settled, right or wrong. But as I remember, he was told to hold on...or am I wrong here?
He has held on and deserves an answer ... not from me, or any of us except Brent and/or David Heath. I hope that will be forthcoming.
I would reiterate the suggestion, Rich, that you write both David and Brent and ask for a definitive reply. Only there are you going to get your final answer.
I hope it is resolved soon, one way or the other.
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Orzel Bialy
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RE: I It's almost time
Goblin,
My objection is to how it's being handled on both sides. Rich should be emailing / PM'ing David Heath and/or Brent Richards...and they should do likewise in return until the matter is resolved in some fashion. We've all seen where prior posts like this lead to.
post note...I posted after I saw Goblin's post without reading what the Kunel said...which is kind of my position...so my note is a " here here" to the idea that the issue be settled between them.
My objection is to how it's being handled on both sides. Rich should be emailing / PM'ing David Heath and/or Brent Richards...and they should do likewise in return until the matter is resolved in some fashion. We've all seen where prior posts like this lead to.
post note...I posted after I saw Goblin's post without reading what the Kunel said...which is kind of my position...so my note is a " here here" to the idea that the issue be settled between them.
RE: I It's almost time
ORIGINAL: Orzel Bialy
Goblin,
My objection is to how it's being handled on both sides. Rich should be emailing / PM'ing David Heath and/or Brent Richards...and they should do likewise in return until the matter is resolved in some fashion. We've all seen where prior posts like this lead to.
post note...I posted after I saw Goblin's post without reading what the Kunel said...which is kind of my position...so my note is a " here here" to the idea that the issue be settled between them.
Public or private, nothing compels you to post to or even read this thread. Maybe its his way of communicating with them. Should he have checked with the forum police to see if he was breaking etiquette? He is a forum member and deserves to post what he likes here, as long as he stays civil, which he obviously did. Other people didn't....
Goblin
RE: I It's almost time
Six months ago, at WB's suggestion, I emailed Brent and asked him about the final update to mclv. He emailed back a nice letter and, among other things, promised to have it done by the end of February. That wasn't the first time he promised to have it done by a certain time and didn't but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Time's not quite up but, since he hasn't posted since then so far as I can tell, I am not optimistic. I thought about emailing him again but figured "what's the point?", he'll just promise to have it done by summer and hope I go away by then.
I see nothing wrong with posting here instead of emailing Brent or David. This is a forum. This is where we post questions, concerns and try to help newbies. There are probably many others who purchased mclv who would like to see the final update but are afraid of getting responses like Orzel's. And there are others who might be thinking of purchasing mclv who should be aware of the situation before making a decision. That would be only fair.
What's really sad is that the update, if it ever gets done, will be minor. What I gather from Brent is it should take him maybe 10 hours or so to complete. So why doesn't he just finish it already?
I see nothing wrong with posting here instead of emailing Brent or David. This is a forum. This is where we post questions, concerns and try to help newbies. There are probably many others who purchased mclv who would like to see the final update but are afraid of getting responses like Orzel's. And there are others who might be thinking of purchasing mclv who should be aware of the situation before making a decision. That would be only fair.
What's really sad is that the update, if it ever gets done, will be minor. What I gather from Brent is it should take him maybe 10 hours or so to complete. So why doesn't he just finish it already?
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RE: I It's almost time
Well you have one point...in regard to being compelled to read this (or any) post.
I've read my last one on this thread...that much I know for sure. Good luck to all the parties involved...hope they resolve it.
Adios!
I've read my last one on this thread...that much I know for sure. Good luck to all the parties involved...hope they resolve it.
Adios!
RE: I It's almost time
Well, Rich, you said it all right here--"end of February". IF there's going to be a patch, then Brent has two more weeks to work on it. Let it go for now. 
ORIGINAL: rich12545
Six months ago, at WB's suggestion, I emailed Brent and asked him about the final update to mclv. He emailed back a nice letter and, among other things, promised to have it done by the end of February. That wasn't the first time he promised to have it done by a certain time and didn't but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Time's not quite up but, since he hasn't posted since then so far as I can tell, I am not optimistic. I thought about emailing him again but figured "what's the point?", he'll just promise to have it done by summer and hope I go away by then.
I see nothing wrong with posting here instead of emailing Brent or David. This is a forum. This is where we post questions, concerns and try to help newbies. There are probably many others who purchased mclv who would like to see the final update but are afraid of getting responses like Orzel's. And there are others who might be thinking of purchasing mclv who should be aware of the situation before making a decision. That would be only fair.
What's really sad is that the update, if it ever gets done, will be minor. What I gather from Brent is it should take him maybe 10 hours or so to complete. So why doesn't he just finish it already?
RE: I It's almost time
I will. And I sincerely hope I won't need to bring it up again.
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RE: I It's almost time
I'll just stay out this this time around.
Rich12545 you know my position.
Klinkenhoffen
Rich12545 you know my position.
Klinkenhoffen
It's all gone horribly wrong !
RE: I It's almost time
Seems like I recall you weren't real positive about my post. Btw, have you purchased MCLV?