The World at War ELO Tournament

[calcwerc]

Thanks for the game, the longest and probably bloodiest I have played so far.

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

The Battle of Manila was quite intense. Yanks had National Morale into the 40% range. Those Special Forces Marines just kept on attacking, and landing. You paid heavy price (well, the electronic pieces did), but when you attack back to back the key positions can be taken. Those Air Battles in Pacific were quite fun. The Kamikaze attacks as well. I probably was too conservative with my Ships. The turn you took Manila via massive troop landing, I moved Ships outta the way, to avoid their demise. Hoping the one turn I did so, you wouldn't attack. Looking back, I'd take the Ship damage to block. You must had half dozen Attack Air Units in South Philippines.

[ThunderLizard11]

ELO Ended:

oldAHgamer (Axis) wins vs. Thunderlizard11 (Allies). Allies resign May '45 with Russia, China and India gone. Allies retook DEI and still held Australia and all of UK and North Africa. Axis pushed several Allied landings into the sea. US units had no fighting power. Malta and Hawaii taken as well which impacted morale. Great game by oldAHgamer.

ELOs started:
rematch OldAHgamer (Axis) v. Thunderlizard11 (allies)
kjgoKc2007 (Allies) v. Thunderlizard11 (Axis)

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

Got Soccer Coaching starting, gonna be on road for personal stuff too. Calling it quits on the following. The "Resigns" I think I'd win, mostly newer players. On the others, posting as Loss.

Anyhow. Axis games, I'm not knocking out Russia because I like trying different things. End up taking Moscow/Stalingrad then the American MMPs wear the Germans down. Japs are usually good to go. Against the advanced players, they flip a switch here or there. Either way. Posting.

Spring starting. Too many games. No patience for just two games. Because I hate waiting. Then I start playing because I wanna game. Burnout and work too.

Game #144 [Resign] ElvisJJonesRambo (Axis) vs BubbleBox (Allies) --- Axis is crushing, no real point playing out. China is toast. Russia being worked over. Not gonna call it a win.
Game #145 [Resign] ElvisJJonesRambo (Allies) vs BubbleBox (Axis) --- Allies held Paris until early 1941. Germans behind. Not gonna say it's a win, resign.
Game #146 [Resign] ElvisJJonesRambo (Axis) vs sappershade (Allies) --- Allies getting crushed all over. Not gonna play it out. Not gonna call it a win. Resign

Game #147 [LOSS] ElvisJJonesRambo (Axis) vs ThunderLizard (Allies) --- Same shit. Took Moscow, Stalingrad, but once game hits turning point, impossible for Axis to win. Game is in Early 1944, Germans/Japs are in good shape, but impossible to win once American forces which are dumping & dying to buy time.

Game #148 [LOSS] ElvisJJonesRambo (Axis) vs petedalby (Allies) --- Had fun with massive battle in Med Front, but cannot win this way. Will lose on points.

Game #149 [LOSS] ElvisJJonesRambo (Allies) vs KlasE (Axis) --- Forgot to move pieces or reinforce multiple times. British were leaving Suez, didn't move them. Forgot to reinforce Hawaii. Forgot to move China piece. Toast. No point. Too many games. I lost.

Game #150 [LOSS] ElvisJJonesRambo (Axis) vs Beriand(Allies) --- Had fun fighting in MedFront, but can never win that way. Germans are toast. The usual will happen. Won't be able to take out Russia, then American Bombers and MMPs.

[Taifun]

New ELO game. Aquavita (Axis) vs Taifun (Allies).

Game ends September 1942 with an Allied Victory. A stubborn Allied defense of France until spring 1941 helped the Soviets defeat the Germans invaders. Rumania, Bulgaria and Hungary surrendered, Berlin about to fall and Japan invaded. Thanks Aquavita for the game. One advise: you don't need to motorize al Armies and panzerkorps, Germany can't afford all those MPPs, better to invest in a bigger Army.

[KlasE]

Game #149 [LOSS] ElvisJJonesRambo (Allies) vs KlasE (Axis) --- Forgot to move pieces or reinforce multiple times. British were leaving Suez, didn't move them. Forgot to reinforce Hawaii. Forgot to move China piece. Toast. No point. Too many games. I lost.

Please treat this game as a draw! I don't want to count it as a win, game was pretty open at the time, late 1941.

//Klas

[gpcgarag]

Game is not over but lost in late 1945 maybe i can hold until 1946 ^^

GpcGarag(Axis) lost against wirkey (alies) good game learned alot

Thanks for the patience dude

[gpcgarag]

Rematch against wirkey

GpcGarag (Alies) vs Wirkey (Axis) standart rules

[Epekepe]

Match started.
Epekepe (axis) vs firsteds (allies)

[Taifun]

New ELO:
Taifun (Axis) v. Thunderlizard2 (Allies)

Axis defeats Allies spring 1944.

[kjgokc2007]

I have a EOL game up PW kjgokc2007 (I always use my user ID as my PW we all should)...

Tanks for the Fun!

Started kjgokc2007 Vs Beriand

Update - Winner Beriand well done... I would be up for a rematch. Post a game with 'Beriand' as the PW and we can try again. Well played brother.

[aquavita]

New game started:

Axis: aquavita - Allies: KlasE

[KlasE]

New ELO game started:

SCOLDGAMER (Axis) vs KlasE (Allies)

We have agreed on usual ELO rules.

Allies defeates Axis.

[kjgokc2007]

I put a new ELO game up pw kjgokc2007 - Have fun!

Game Started kjgokc2007 vs HamberMeat

Winner HamberMeat (shocker I know LOL ... Meat you are a beast brother... perfect attack for my defense.)

[Epekepe]

New ELO game started.

sappershade (Axis) vs Epekepe (Allies)

Game ended, Allies win.
Axis resigned September 1942.

[ThunderLizard11]

ELO Ended:
ThunderLizard11 (Axis) win versus arikogut (Allies) loss. Allies resign May '44 after fall of Soviets. India and Australia have also fallen and Japan has landed on West Coast. In Europe, strong push in France which recaptured Paris - if Russia held Axis would have been in trouble. Great game.

ELO Started:
ThunderLizard11 (Allies) win versus arikogut (Axis).

[migace]

ELO ended

migace(Allies) defeats SCOLDGAMER(Axis). Axis resign Aug '43

ELO started

migace(Axis) vs SCOLDGAMER(Allies)

[kjgokc2007]

New ELO game up pw kjgokc2007 (I suggest everyone start using their user name as the PW for these games)....



Game started vs Redshirt (Winner kjgokc2007) Nice game brother.

[DmitryN]

Lonerunner (axis) lost to DmitryN (allies). Please find some description below.

[DmitryN]

Let me describe my experience of last 4 games, all of which went with “UK attack Japan first” strategy.

The idea of UK attack on Japan prior to March 1941 to block the places where Japanese SF and HQ are placed belongs to Jackmack, who used it against me first. UK landing on islands is especially effective if it is conducted together with moving of vast part of UK fleet to the pacific with unexpected attack on Japanese carriers. In my opinion this strategy leave axis fast no chances to win if the players are somewhat equal. Allies can sacrifice USSR while focusing all the forces to kill Japan first. Without free SF’s Japan have no resources to take DEI which is very important moneywise. If USSR and Japan are dead say 1943, allies has very big advantage against Gemany and enough time to kill it before 1947. (There is no problem to force Italy to surrender with 20% morale)

Jackmack conducted the attack on Japan very effectively, he not only blocked the islands but also took Osaka and Hirosima stoping all the convoys and killed 2 Jap carriers with the first strike. It was absolutely unexpected to me. However in my opinion he made some strategic mistakes. First of all he did not even tried to protect Egypt, which was taken by Germans with very small forces. He also did not attacked Italian fleet with carriers, so I was able to move Italian fleet to help Japan. Which was even more important Jack did not move all the UK fleet to the pacific and also allocated some of US and UK resources to Europe, which did not save Russia but made Japanese defense more long and costly. German advance in Russia was quite quick and USSR surrendered spring 1943 with Japan surviving till spring 1944. That allowed Germany to occupy Turkey, big part of Africa and Middle East. I don’t know why Jack resigned on winter 1944/45. In my opinion chances were at least 50/50 that moment. Or even Allies still had more chances with all the US/UK/China/India forces. Anyway the game was not played till the end.

In next 3 games I played Allies and used the same strategy. But considering Jacks mistakes in all the 3 games I tried to destroy at least a part of Italian fleet in 1940, protect Egypt as long as I could, and went “all in” to Japan front with all the possible US and UK forces.

First game was against Elvis as axis. Allies landed on the islands, but were unable to attack Japanese fleet. Actually the push on Japan was not so effective as it could be. But Elvis made some strange things as Germany: invested a lot in German fleet, invested in rockets (!?!), allocated quite big forces to North Africa and lost on that front like 3 tanks and a lot of other units. Thus, he did very few advances in Russia so by the mid 1943 Japan was close to be dead and USSR was still holding Moscow and Caucasus. Elvis resigned in absolute losing situation.

Second game was against Petedalby as axis. In this game UK attack was extremely successful. Allied placed in Malaya like 3 naval bombers and 2 fighters, and kept all the UK fleet near DEI. Japan went with all it’s fleet south and was totally destroyed. War on japan islands were not so successful for allies but Japan was anyway doomed. In the same time German advances in Egypt and Russia were not so fast as it could be. Again big German loses in North Africa and Middle East and tough fight in the USSR. Japan was dead before USSR was even close to surrender, so allies were able to move army to Europe and axis resigned (don’t remember exact timing but guess mid 1944, with absolute loosing situation).

The most interesting game was against Lonerunner as axis. He is a very strong opponent. UK attack on Japan was quite effective, Japanese fleet again went to DEI where naval bombers and all the UK fleet was waiting, however Japan was able to save half of the fleet while destroying vast part of UK fleet. Anyway with US entering the war allies had full control over the sea

The thing which helped me a lot in this game was the fact that it was the last one and I have learned all the lessons of previous fights in Japan. It is absolutely necessary to keep all the strategic bombers in Japan to reduce supply of the capitals. In other games I lost quite a lot of troops trying to take Japaneese cities from land. I guess the huge mistake of axis was not to withdraw Japanese infantry and artillery from the continent. Lonerunner was very successful in China and had quite a big army there. 13 strength infantry army in Seul could be anyway killed with 10-12 amphibious transports in 1 turn. There is no chances to survive. If that army was placed in Tokyo together with other 5-6 units from China it could make Japanese defense much longer and costly for allies. Additionally I was lucky with the weather. All the fall/winter 1942/43 it was clear in Japan and bombers could be used. Without these 2 factors Japan could resist at least 6 turns more, or even a year.

On German front axis even did not tried to take Egypt, everything was focused on the USSR. Barbarossa was very efficient, and I made some mistakes loosing a lot of Russian troops and Leningrad by not reasonable counterattacks. USSR surrendered spring 1943 the same turn with Japan. Actually if the weather was a little bit better axis could kill the USSR even fall 1942. If Lonerunner moved Japanese army back to the islands and was somewhat faster in Russia he had a chance to win. E.g. having additional year Germany could try Sealion or take both Spain and Egypt to close Mediterranean and save Italy. But things went as they went and after the fell of Japan allies had like 3 times more MPP’s per turn compared to Germany. Few landings in France were efficiently destroyed by axis, and even till the end of the game positions of allies in France were quite weak. Allies attacks on Caucasus and in Siberia were also effectively blocked. However Italy was easy to kill, and allies advances on Balkans were slow but stable. Axis resigned end 1944. I agree that finally the were no chances for Germany to survive till mid 1947, fast each turn axis loses were higher than incomes, however I guess the game could last till summer 1946 or so. Anyway I guess there is not a lot of chances for axis to resist “UK attack first” strategy.