Resupply airbase

[Laits]

Hello everybody.

There is a very useful option in the game : the resupply airbase button.
I've made some research in the manual but I didn't find anything concerning this point.
Can someone tell me what are the rules and limitations with this option?

[carlkay58]

When an air group is transferred to an air base a resupply request will be performed where extra trucks and freight from a nearby supply depot will be directed to the air base immediately without having to wait for your next logistics phase. You can also trigger this manually. If you transfer an air group and there is no trucks or freight available it will warn you that the resupply can not be done and if you still want to do the transfer. This resupply option should give the air base sufficient supplies to support the air group through the enemy turn until your next logistics phase.

[Laits]

Ok. Thanks.
But what are the limits? It's a very powerful option, it should have some limitation.

[carlkay58]

The available trucks and freight at local depots. But remember the freight will not be available for other purposes during your next logistics phase and the trucks can become damaged, etc.

[Laits]

Ok. Thank you for the information!

[TerenceSpencer]

Where exactly is this button?

[Laits]

If you right click on one of your AOGs you have the possibility to "resupply airbase". If you chose de to do this it will send ammos and supplies to the concerned airbase.
Pretty useful.

[TerenceSpencer]

Thx

[maedrhos]

I know this is an old thread but I've encountered a limit to how much one can resupply forward bases. After six resupplies on turn two, (rebasing fighters and bombers to Riga, Daugvapils, Glubokoe and Jekabpils I can't pull any more suppy for a rebase to Jelgava. Is the use of trucks for resupply shown somewhere so that I can figure out what limit is applicable and what percentage of the capability I'm using each time I order resupply and whether or not that limit is for Luftflotte 1 or all Luftflottes?

[DarkHorse2]

I believe it draws on available freight at the airbase (and perhaps some nearby depots).

When that is exhausted, you cannot re-supply anymore until next turn.... or you airlift more freight to the target airbase.

Use the 'n' key to keep an eye on your available freight pools.

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[maedrhos]

Thank you. I can see now that the forward bases are pulling supplies out of the stores at Memel. When Memel's stores reach zero nothing else will be pulled to any airbase using Memel as a supply point. The supply detail report at each airbase tells which depot it will draw supplies from. My guess is that they will only pull from the nearest depot and not go to another if the depot is empty.
So much detail. Again thank you for helping me out.

[tyronec]

Has anyone ever used this feature and seen it do anything ?

As far as I can tell when you transfer aircraft to a new airbase the system will bring in supplies. If it doesn't bring in supplies then none are available and requesting them will have no effect.
If you transfer to an airbase that has no access to supplies, and then make access available and request supplies then it has no effect, while if you at this point fly in more planes then you will get more supplies. So the effective way to bring in more supplies when you need them is to fly in more aircraft.

What I am doing in practice if I want to move my fighters forwards to an advanced airbase that will be supplied directly is to fly in a recon group and see if they get supplies. If they do I fly in the fighters, if not then either leave them there to get supplied during the supply phase or fly them back out. Sometimes I even fly in a bomber unit to make sure there are sufficient supplies for air cover during the enemy turn and then fly the bomber right out again. The other option is to use transports to bring in supplies.

[Stamb]

i use it playing as a Soviets and if there are depots with a freight nearby - it will fulfill a demand (if there is enough freight)

[Stamb]

also it is worth mentioning that even if you transfer planes to an airbase that is literally on top of depot with many thousand of freight - it is still possible that airbase will not get all of the needed fuel/ammo
and it needs resupply

and by doing such resupplies players can check need for the different airplanes
in my experience fighters do not need a lot of supplies
as well as tactical bombers
but level bombers require much more
this info is more relevant for an Axis in `41

[tyronec]

i use it playing as a Soviets and if there are depots with a freight nearby - it will fulfill a demand (if there is enough freight)

Is that for air groups that have not moved ?
I was looking at air groups that are moved forwards during the turn.

[Stamb]

in my example i moved them in air phase
not in a ground one

i do not remember what happens when you move and try to resupply them in a ground phase
but would be logical to expect the same behavior

[tyronec]

in my example i moved them in air phase
not in a ground one

OK, so that is different from what I was seeing. I could not get any resupply to aircraft that had been moved and I was assuming that they would auto-supply during the move if they could.
Will look at this some more in my live games and see if I can work out when it does something.

[maedrhos]

Hi, tyronec. I'm seeing the same thing that some supplies will come with the planes. The airbase supply page will specify which depot the supplies will be drawn from, for example Memel. If there are supplies stored there then some supplies will come with the planes and you can keep resupplying the airbase or other airbases that draw from that depot until the supplies are exhausted. There may be some aspect about truck usage that acts as a limiter as the supply page will also specify the distance to the depot and how many trucks were used to bring that supply. I haven't yet figured out, though, how availability of trucks might limit the airbase resupply.

[DarkHorse2]

in my experience fighters do not need a lot of supplies
as well as tactical bombers
but level bombers require much more
this info is more relevant for an Axis in `41

My experience as well. In fact, I start sending a bunch of the bombers back to reserve or other TBs, as I cannot keep them supplied after about turn 5 or so. (AGN is not too bad due to all the Baltic ports, but AGC and AGS is hard to keep even fighters / stukas supplied, let alone the bombers.)

Current implementation of the way Air Transport works really cuts into their range as well. Ju52s have a air-transport range of range of 52 hexes. (which is too short) Then divide by 3 because dev thinks they are dropping bombs... and this nerfs Ju52 transport range down to 17 hexes (28 if using internal fuel tanks).

Seriously, 280 miles? Did these guys not read a book? At that range, how did they supply Narvik? Or even carry passengers, non-stop from Rome to Berlin back in the '30s?

Following is one historical account giving the JU52s an air transport range of 500 miles, nearly double the current nerfed in-game range.

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[DarkHorse2]

Another example.

Non-stop flight using Ju52s from Konigsberg to Pskov, conducting air-transport of the 1st Parachute Division. That is over 40 hexes in game.

grrr.... again, these guys just did not appear to have read a book when it came to verifying some of their game data.

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German Air Transport routes, Mediterranean, 1941. Plane? JU-52s.

FYI - distance from Lecce, Italy to El Aghelia, Libya - over 700 miles!

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