OT: The Chinese Had Panzers?

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Shark7

ORIGINAL: witpqs


My memory is quite different. [8D]

All I will say is they don't build them like they used to.

Modern car: Sneeze at it and it ends up with a giant dent and a big spot where the paint blew off.
Pre-1960's car: Drive it through a brick wall and don't even scratch it.

Ok, bit of an exaggeration, but the truth is back in the day cars were made of heavy steel, had a nice thick coat of paint, and as a general rule did stand up to use and abuse a lot better. The car I currently have had the paint at the bottom of the door frame rubbed down to bare metal within the first 3 weeks because my foot drags against it while I get in. There is just not enough paint or top coat on there to stand up to any kind of repeated contact.

I'm just glad I live in the south where we don't have a lot of snow and ice, and aren't exposed to de-icing salt as much. Cars around here do tend to stay rust free much longer, even in these modern times.

As far as the vehicle standing up to bangs & bruises, sure. But not rust. I was a kid in Boston in the 1960's and I remember lots and lots of rust. Plenty of salt used on streets and roads in winter to counter lots of snow and ice. So many cars would just rust, rust, rust!

It used to be de regeure (sp?) up here to take your new car immediately to a body shop that does undercoating and lower panel innercoating (like doors) before you drove it in winter. They used a tar compound and it added about 100 lbs to the car's weight! They kept the car three days - one to wash and dry out the underside of the car, one to do the coatings and one to let the stink dissipate a bit!

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So, the first new car I bought was a Saab 900 turbo. 1988. No signicant problems in 30 years. Came to London with me when I lived over there (buying cars in London is pretty expensive). Just showing a few signs of rust now - I live in NJ so we have salt. Handles well in snow and is very quick. I have been approached numerous times at gas stations and asked if I would be willing to sell - seems the model is know as a good rally car. A couple of years ago the wife wanted a vehicle with four doors so we more easily move around some of our older family members. So we got an Audi sq5. A very nice vehicle that is all wheel drive. But came with high performance tires. First time it snowed I almost went off the road - I had assumed all wheel drive would make the rubber less relevant - my bad. So now have dedicated snows for it - still not as good in the snow as the 88. And it has recalled three times. One last funny, right after bought it we were driving in nyc - which should be avoided for the record - and got flagged down by a guy know needed a jump. Ok, no problem. Open the hood and like where the heck is the battery? Had to pull out manual to figure out it in Siberia and there are a couple of posts you connect to for cables. Then friend had his newish car die and had to jump him. His battery was at the rear of the car under a panel in the trunk.

I will be keeping the 88 that is intuitive to me. And a stick so fun to drive.

[jiajia1]

I do not know all too much about the war in china, before and during the games time era.
What were the reasons for japan to only achieve a stalemate?

The main reason was IJA did not set the whole China as their main target. Their strategy was to against Russia. They were satisfied with capturing of North China Plain and all big cities except Chungking and started to reduce their troops in China. Invasion of Chungking was discussed several times but was never implemented. If they got mobilized like what they did later in 1945 (over 7 million) and put all strength in China they should be able to capture the whole country (not just cities but also cover 1 million villages). Actually 2 million troops would be enough the other 5 million were only needed to be equipped with a pistol for a very short period to just kill most Chinese civilians. They only spent 3 billion yen in 1937, 12 billion yen in 1941 compared to 73 billion 1944.

[jiajia1]

Chinese also bought 94 Fiat CV35 (54 arrived in Dec 1937, 40 in Apr 1938). All those tanks from UK, France, German, Italy turned out great waste of money. They contributed very little. What Chinese really need were enough 7.92×57mm SMK-H (effective penetrate Type 94 tankette, Chinese only got 30 million SMK) or simply M2 Machine Gun and Pak 36 (only got 200, 1 per division). Finally Japanese tanks loss were mainly by mines and suicide bombs.

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[jiajia1]

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Look at the combat losses for KMT China in 1937-1945 period. KMT switched to defence after Dec 7,1941 knowing that is was now USA's turn to bleed themselves in the war.

Both Chang and the Communists realized that with the US entry into the war meant that the Japanese would be defeated elsewhere and eventually forced to leave China. But this is not the only reason they were on the defensive. By 1941 the Japanese held more than 90% of the Chinese industrial base. China did not have a whole lot to fight with after that. But of course, we should not forget the estimated 2.5 to 3 million Chinese troops that did die fighting the Japanese, and the estimated 20-40 million civilians.

Most are correct.
Just one thing. Red army reduced their battle from "Hundred Regiments Offensive(1940)" to hundreds of thousands of company/platoon or even squad level to avoid IJA firepower super advantage, after an unsuccessful 20000:500 (result casualty 2000:150) fight, made them less known. They fought with same morale until 1945. Two out of 104 books War History Series by Japan are specialized for fighting with red army.

[jiajia1]

What were the reasons for japan to only achieve a stalemate?

Lack of a modern of a rail net and a horse drawn supply organization. Japanese troops had better equipment and greater combat power than the Chinese but were overextended logistically. The Chinese had more men than the Japanese had bullets.

It is not a joke. Japan's bullet production between 1931 and 1936 was 238,170 k. China had about 450 million population before the war.