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ORIGINAL: harlekwin
hey they are at least as realistic as the Kittens in "Paws of the Tiger".....

OK...I'm going to make my farewell post in this thread I guess...and it won't even be about the OoB's! lol

Harlekwin...I created the Paw of the Tiger scenario...and in all fairness to the work...did you play it or even read the intro?

It was based off a Squad Leader scenario and some research of the battle...not just made up. It was designed to show what a Tiger was capable of in the hands of an experienced tank commander and crew and with a very good defensive position to work from...and not created just to have the Kittens rule the day for the sake of it.

Ok...that is all....you are all free to resume your debate...or whatever the He11 it is that's going on around here anymore? [&:]
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hey they are at least as realistic as the Kittens in "Paws of the Tiger".....

OK...I'm going to make my farewell post in this thread I guess...and it won't even be about the OoB's! lol

Harlekwin...I created the Paw of the Tiger scenario...and in all fairness to the work...did you play it or even read the intro?

It was based off a Squad Leader scenario and some research of the battle...not just made up. It was designed to show what a Tiger was capable of in the hands of an experienced tank commander and crew and with a very good defensive position to work from...and not created just to have the Kittens rule the day for the sake of it.

Ok...that is all....you are all free to resume your debate...or whatever the He11 it is that's going on around here anymore? [&:]



Orzel I respect your work, and always have. You make fine scenarios. I have only played 8.0 because of all the fanfare it got and was so impressed with the MGs of doom I promptly decided to wait for the "final final".

Remember when the players went nuts after the introduction of infantry going to ground at first?

Saying the Infantry is now too hard to kill?

Yeah well i do.

Look it is not YOUR scenario that is the problem guy it is the mindset that allowed at this late date in the life of Spwaw for the Tiger I to get its ratings jacked around to the tune of 15-33% avergaed across the board. I apologize for using your scenario as a catchphrase for the syndrome. It seems to me that we are still in an era where every OOB has little differences in what exactly it is modeling.


case in point rifle fire:

in the past we had OOBs that had the battle rifle as a solo weapon, and we had rifles that represented 2, 3, and even 4 rifles in SOME OOBS.....

"why?'

I mean considering what is being modeled you have two different cognitive frames of reference in what is being modeled per turn. That is what I mean when I say "some OOBs are more equal than others". I walked because of the pressure exerted by partisans for the various OOBs to constantly leverage things to their OOB's benefit.

My main gripe goes back to pre 5.0 days at its heart but I won't bother you with the deatils other than to say.....

"if one wants balance one should play checkers".....

regards and sincerest apologies i was not meaning to imply you were inept or a malignant force,

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Guys, what I'm seeing here is a concerted effort by a few bad seeds to sow discontent amongst a unified community. I'm doing my part to get the chaff separated from the wheat so we go about our business. I will not allow the unwanted malcontents to spoil our neighborhood. You know who you are, and you are not welcome here.
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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Guys, what I'm seeing here is a concerted effort by a few bad seeds to sow discontent amongst a unified community. I'm doing my part to get the chaff separated from the wheat so we go about our business. I will not allow the unwanted malcontents to spoil our neighborhood. You know who you are, and you are not welcome here.



Never mind that here was here for some of us before YOU were 'here'.....

Whatever KG.

You win.

My valid, calm, cogent points addressed by YOU representative of Matrix Games on the matter:

0, yes the big goose egg.....

Personal insults and derision launched by YOU in an open forum where you are modding against me:

Several

You go right on ahead and whip out the long knife.

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Harlekwin,

No apology necessary...I just wanted to make sure that people understood that the Paw of the Tiger scenario was not some rabid "Kitten Lover" creation were the specs and values (outside of the moral and experience values to mimmick the crews elite status) were jacked just because of someones whim and fancy. [;)]

As for the rest of what's going on here...[:-] A forum is supposed to be a place of open debate...and not something ran like the Catholic church of the middle ages.

If a post contains vulgar language...personal attacks...or hateful remarks then perhaps they rate being "bleeped"...or deleted if they are that outrageously demeaning. However, if a moderator deletes a post or censors it in some fashion simply because they don't agree with the message...then it is no longer moderating...it is censorship.

In the end this sort of enforcement of "the rules" will only serve to suffocate the forum and drive off the life blood that actually sustains it.
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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Guys, what I'm seeing here is a concerted effort by a few bad seeds to sow discontent amongst a unified community. I'm doing my part to get the chaff separated from the wheat so we go about our business. I will not allow the unwanted malcontents to spoil our neighborhood. You know who you are, and you are not welcome here.

Wow. You do us too much honor sir [;)]

How can we join this SPWaW cult you are running.
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Correct....it's not AOW.............but deleting and editing user's posts is in all but one case (i.e. porn) flat out wrong in any way shape or form according to our policy. Per the Matrix Forum Policy and Disclaimer, users who break the stated Matrix Forum policy will follow the normal course policing to include but not limited to warnings, thread being locked and given a reason as to why or in worst/last case scenarios...banning. The Matrix Forum policy applies to all users in all forums. Here it is for those who need a refresher...


All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of Matrix Games Forums or ASP Playground (developers of the forum software) will be held responsible for the content of any message.

Although the administrators and moderators of the Matrix Games Forums will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. Please use the report button, IM, PM or email the admins to bring it to attention. The forum policies apply to ALL of the Matrix forums and all forum users. There is to be no spamming, trolling, personal insults, vulgarity, bigotry, profanity or porn. Inappropriate language or conduct can lead to a short vacation or outright dismissal from Matrix. All topics and behavior that is deemed unsuitable or improper will be locked with an explanation given as to why.
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KG Erwin wrote:

"Guys, what I'm seeing here is a concerted effort by a few bad seeds to sow discontent amongst a unified community."
This sounds like a paranoid delusional thought.

"I'm doing my part to get the chaff separated from the wheat so we go about our business."
Excuse me, but that is a quote from the Bible and only God and Jesus have that right.

"I will not allow the unwanted malcontents to spoil our neighborhood. You know who you are, and you are not welcome here."
This sounds like a Nazi or Communistic viewpoint.

I am with Orzel on this. This is a www internet forum and where I live in the USA we have a thing called freedom of speech. I have a whole personal library of mine and if I have some research data that is contr.....whatever, its a waste of my time.

This is silly and stupid if this is how "Matrix Games" is going to be run or "moderated" then I have better to do with my time and will stick to SP:WaW Depot.

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I was a moderator once, it was a mistake, I was lousy at it :)

It was naturally a singular honour to be asked when I was asked to moderate over at Wargamer. I was given the capacity to moderate over the entirety of the Wargamer forums.

But I suck at being a moderator.

Moderating requires a person have absolutely no opinion.

The only role a moderator can perform, is the neutral voice of the judge.

The moment a person becomes a Moderator, they are no longer "one of us". They can't afford to be one of the gang. Because they might have to slap down one of the gang at some future moment.
And does anyone really want to have to do that?

I am an opinionated person. I like being an opinionated person. Neutral is not what I want to be.
I can keep my opinions confined to proper english usage. And I can refrain from uttering what are considered by common aggreement profane or unacceptable terms.
I can limit myself to topic categories as well as refraining from singling out individuals for personal attack.

But refraining from having an opinion, is the same as being unable to even say anything at all.

That removes the point to ever even coming to the forum.

After all, what is a forum for, if not the exchange of opinions.

Sure we can place messages requesting aid or assistance. But I hardly want to think of the Matrix Games forums as some sort of unusual tech support center and information guide.

Freedom of speech is also another interesting subject. There is virtually NO freedom of speech here. Never was actually. This forum is private property.
That it is accessible to the internet means nothing.

My home is private property. There is no freedom of speech in my livingroom either. Its my rules or to bad. Doesn't matter that my home is on a public street. I chose who comes in and who does not get to stay.

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Beer Les.

I just regained a lot of respect for you after that post. You did suck at being a mod for the same reasons I would. The issue here is not absolute Free speech anyone, in my eyes at least.

This is matrix's playground and I have always respected that. Overall this is one of the best places on the net. The intonation of a "unified community" when in fact there is not one should not be the avowed position of a mod IMHO.

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I did what had to be done before this forum turned into a troll-fest. However, if someone starts up nonsense like that in future, I will go to the administrators and let them take care of it before things get out of hand.
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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

I did what had to be done before this forum turned into a troll-fest. However, if someone starts up nonsense like that in future, I will go to the administrators and let them take care of it before things get out of hand.

By all means do so[;)]
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I did what had to be done before this forum turned into a troll-fest. However, if someone starts up nonsense like that in future, I will go to the administrators and let them take care of it before things get out of hand.

Define nonsense. Relevant criticism towards the latest OOB is not allowed?
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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

I did what had to be done before this forum turned into a troll-fest. However, if someone starts up nonsense like that in future, I will go to the administrators and let them take care of it before things get out of hand.


Nonsense like what exactly Erwin?

Asking what the universal standard for the OOBs is?

I think you would do well to reread what Vic had to say. You are a moderator here KG. That means that you work for US not that this is YOUR kingdom to hammer YOUR views.

Or there'll be a lot fewer kids in the swings is what I am seeing....

I want to state clearly I want nobody to leave or threaten to leave or change their views based on my and Erwin's exchanges.

I have some questions I would like to see answered and that is all.

I would also like to apologize to anyone I offended and also to say that I am saddened it took the devolution of the OOBs and the shunning and maltreatment of a friend of mine to bring me back. I missed a lot of you guys.

Ammosgt really should have been treated better by the OOB powers that be IMHO she does cite and happily shares references upon request.

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I'll abide by the rules expressed by the Official Matrix Forums policy.
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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

I'll abide by the rules expressed by the Official Matrix Forums policy.

I think you have missed something...
ORIGINAL: VicKevlar

...but deleting and editing user's posts is in all but one case (i.e. porn) flat out wrong in any way shape or form according to our policy...
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Alright kids knock it off........the issue is now resolved.
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...I will try to maintain standards of conduct that are not restrictive in voicing one's opinions, but unfortunately some folks like to take advantage of this...
In what way do they take advantage of voicing their opinions?
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ORIGINAL: VicKevlar

Alright kids knock it off........the issue is now resolved.

Alright kid, how is it resolved?
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ORIGINAL: VicKevlar

Alright kids knock it off........the issue is now resolved.

Alright kid, how is it resolved?


Keke Vic is just keeping order.

The issue is resolved for me and I now await an answer. Please let things cool down, not that I am deigning to tell you your business beyond a polite request. The last thing the forum needs is any more emnity.

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