The World at War ELO Tournament

[aquavita]

Looking fore a ELO game. Have some games under the belt, but so fare losses.

Usual rules, me Axis. 39-47 WaW, Password "Untergang"

Anyone up for a game?

Game started: aquavita axis - archmache allied

aquavita surrender sep 42 - archmache victory

[Fafnir]

New Game started
Fafnir (Axis) vs. kaigab (Allies)

[SCOLDGAMER]

New game started. EvilMachtin axis VS SCOLDGAMER allies '39 scenario

[EarlyDoors]

New Game Started: Archmache (Axis) v Earlydoors (Allies)

[HarrySmith]

ELO game finished Fafnir (Axis) slaughtered HarrySmith (Allies) June 42. What can I say but an absolute thrashing by Fafnir. Was well situated in the process of conquering USA, Canada, South Africa and Russia. The UK, Australia, NZ, All Middle East and China had all fallen with normal Pacific Islands. A class above my playing abilities. Though some moves he makes should I feel be penalized in the way of mobilization or restricted. Not that it would of mattered too much

[Pekkavilamoura]

ELO game started: Pekkavilamoura (Axis) vs. Bavre (Allies)

[kaigab]

New Game started
Fafnir (Axis) vs. kaigab (Allies)

I surrender in late '40 after a successful sealion.

While i would like a rematch as i really performed bad in this game, fafnir whacked me badly.

[kaigab]

Started ELO Game

JackMack (Axis) vs kaigab (Allies)

[kaigab]

Started ELO Game (rematch), hopefully will do better

Fafnir (Axis) vs kaigab (Allies)

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

[WIN] ElvisJJonesRambo (Axis) vs SCOLDGAMER (Allies) --- While on 30-day ban, took my aggression out on Russia. Germans were silky smooth, took light damage and grew magna strong. Russia folded early 1944, and plenty og MMPs held Paris.

[WIN] ElvisJJonesRambo (Allies) vs ThunderLizard (Axis) --- Put Patton in command, Operation Torch knocked out Italy and held position in Greece/Albania. Much needed as this top player ThunderLizard, had Russia on the ropes. Juntas had India cornered. Naval/Air fights near the Gulf.

[ThunderLizard11]

[ELOs Ended]

kjgokc2007 [Win] (allies) v. Thunderlizard11 [Loss] (axis) - Axis resigned June '46. Russia went down in '44 and Japan shortly after. A Pacific first strategy. Allies then threw everything at Germans taking out Italy, Balkans, France with China advancing through Asia. No way for Germans to hold out another year. Well played by kjgokc2007.

aaron28a [Loss] (Axis) v. Thunderlizard11 [Win] (allies) - Axis resigned Dec '40. Axis ran into brick wall in France with France holding out until Nov '40. Brits made decent progress in N. Africa. Kriegsmarine battered in encounters with RN. China pushed back but holding. aaron28a making rapid improvements in game play.

[ELOs Started]

ElvisJJonesRambo (axis) v. Thunderlizard11 (allies) - Early days but Elvis kicking butt in France
kaigab (allies) v. Thunderlizard11 (axis)

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

Game ended.

[LOSS] ElvisJJonesRambo (Axis) vs OldAHgamer (Allies) --- Axis went the conventional route in this game with Germany. Opponent in Russia did good job making the invaders pay for major gains. Did get Stalingrad to Persia. Took too much damage at Kursk '43 and gates of Moscow '44. Russia usually gets first good weather turn in Spring, he took advantage exchanging Tanks and killing *key HQ in middle of major campaign in Stalingrad. Germans were gonna fall 1945 without help. Problem was Japan, their central strategy passive failed to get any punch. Wanted to counter-punch, but waited too long. Had major sea battle late, had to gamble. Got spotted in Philippian Sea, and lost Carriers. Japs were worthless this game against methodical opponent. well done by OldAHgamer.

Started rematch, flipped sides.

[Pekkavilamoura]

New ELO game started: kaigab (Axis) vs. Pekkavilamoura (Allies)

[EarlyDoors]

New Game started
DmitryN (Axis) v Earlydoors (Allies)

ELO standard with additional house rules:
Japan will not reduce Tulun (USSR) with strategic bombers until after DoW on USA
UK/Commonwealth will not attack Japanese spawn locations before DoW on USA

Game ends in December 1943 with Axis Major Victory

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Allies completely outplayed.
Axis went heavy in North Africa with 3 Panzers and the Ariete Tanks isolating and destroying a strong Allied Force outside of Tobruk in 1941. Royal Navy destroyed in Bay of Biscay later that same year lead to a shutdown of the convoys. US Navy roared back destroying Japanese Battleships about Gibraltar but little realising that the rest of the Carrier force was there. With all 3 Axis Navies linking up, Gibraltar, Portugal, Ireland and the UK were invaded.
China fell. USA, India and Australia were fighting off strong Axis invasions as USSR fell.

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Well Played DmitryN.

[petedalby]

New ELO game started.

aaron28a (axis) vs petedalby (allies)

Axis resignation January 1942 after both Italy & Hungary surrendered.

[Pekkavilamoura]

ELO game ended: Pekkavilamoura (Axis) resigned vs. Bavre (Allies). I gave up because it's just ridiculous to play against the top players. Excuse me Bavre, nothing against you, you are one of the very best. It's just that playing against those players has nothing to do with real life warfare. They know the maths and all scripts, that's all right but I want to have at least a little bit of realism in a game simulating WW2 on grand strategy scale. And there is the big problem, the top players throw their navies and armies and airforces wherever they will, nothing to do with real life realities like supply, operation ranges, security reserves, fog of war etc.etc. Just too simplistic for me. Big weakness of SC World at War.

[Bavre]

ELO game ended: Pekkavilamoura (Axis) resigned vs. Bavre (Allies). I gave up because it's just ridiculous to play against the top players. Excuse me Bavre, nothing against you, you are one of the very best. It's just that playing against those players has nothing to do with real life warfare. They know the maths and all scripts, that's all right but I want to have at least a little bit of realism in a game simulating WW2 on grand strategy scale. And there is the big problem, the top players throw their navies and armies and airforces wherever they will, nothing to do with real life realities like supply, operation ranges, security reserves, fog of war etc.etc. Just too simplistic for me. Big weakness of SC World at War.

Uhm, I'm not even top 20 and have 3 ELO games to my name, but thanks for the compliment. Was really not even aware that killing the Italian navy as long as you still have the French is considered such a progamer move, it just seemed like a valid strategy. What I learned so far however is, that "naval blobs" are pretty much a must in this game. I absolutely agree that this is very unrealistic, but I don't have the slightest clue how this could be remedied within the ruleset of the game.

[Pekkavilamoura]

Thanks for your comment Bavre. Again, it's not about you, you made some great moves and would have been in Berlin in 1942 at the latest I guess. What disturbs me is the lack of reality in this game. Imagine Churchill would have said we send (almost) all of our navy to Med, no, to Adrian sea (!!!) In the first months of war where nobody knew what Germany is about to do. Taking such a decision so early in the war would not only have been risky but preparing such a manoeuvre and sending it to its destination would also have taken several months after the decision to accomplish.
That's only one example, for me as it is now the game is in many aspects very unrealistic. The developers should really look into improving real life issues like supply, preparation, reinforcement, replenishment of forces and the time you need to move your forces around the globe. With all the flaws I still like the game though.

[redrum68]

ELO game ended: Pekkavilamoura (Axis) resigned vs. Bavre (Allies). I gave up because it's just ridiculous to play against the top players. Excuse me Bavre, nothing against you, you are one of the very best. It's just that playing against those players has nothing to do with real life warfare. They know the maths and all scripts, that's all right but I want to have at least a little bit of realism in a game simulating WW2 on grand strategy scale. And there is the big problem, the top players throw their navies and armies and airforces wherever they will, nothing to do with real life realities like supply, operation ranges, security reserves, fog of war etc.etc. Just too simplistic for me. Big weakness of SC World at War.

Uhm, I'm not even top 20 and have 3 ELO games to my name, but thanks for the compliment. Was really not even aware that killing the Italian navy as long as you still have the French is considered such a progamer move, it just seemed like a valid strategy. What I learned so far however is, that "naval blobs" are pretty much a must in this game. I absolutely agree that this is very unrealistic, but I don't have the slightest clue how this could be remedied within the ruleset of the game.

Not sure there is an easy solution to naval blobs with the current rules. I think some additional restrictions might help like:
1. Italian navy can't leave Med until mobilized
2. Japanese navy can't enter Med or Atlantic

[Pekkavilamoura]

Both very valid points! What also disturbs me is when Denmark is still occupied by the Germans, the Allied navy can under circumstances enter the North Sea and sail around there like it was their private pool. That's completely ridiculous. How could you ever in real life supply a main naval force when it's operating thousands of miles away and the only way in and out is an extremely narrow strait under enemy control?