Dutch AVP

[WEXF]

There are 2 Dutch AVP that have the capability to carry a single aircraft.
In a Scenario 1 both start without planes on board.
In tests that I have run, I have found that only CX1-W float planes are able to load on the AVPs. These planes are usually on Dutch CL and I don't think there are any in production or in the pools.
My questions are:
Are other nation's float planes capable of being carried by AVP Arend and her sister ship?
Why is the TIVa Patrol plane not OK? Is it too large?

WEXF

[btd64]

I've never even bothered with it. But Aussie and British float planes would work....GP

[WEXF]

I was able to load a Walrus II that was originally on a British cruiser. Thanks.
I noted that the AVP had to be in a TF but could be docked or undocked. If anchored in the port the loading did not work.
It was in a unit that had only a single plane.
Does the unit the plane is coming from have to contain only 1 plane?

WEXF

[RangerJoe]

There are 2 Dutch AVP that have the capability to carry a single aircraft.
In a Scenario 1 both start without planes on board.
In tests that I have run, I have found that only CX1-W float planes are able to load on the AVPs. These planes are usually on Dutch CL and I don't think there are any in production or in the pools.
My questions are:
Are other nation's float planes capable of being carried by AVP Arend and her sister ship?
Why is the TIVa Patrol plane not OK? Is it too large?

WEXF

You should have extra US Naval float units from sunken ships. Resize them if needed, those that can operate float planes while moving can be used in convoys to detect subs.

[WEXF]

Thanks.
I was noticing that the CXI-W is shown as being able to upgrade to an OS2U-Kingfisher.
That should mean that the Dutch CL that had the CXI-W would have to be able to take a Kingfisher.
The key is to get the single plane unit through resizing.
I expect it doesn't matter what command the float plane is attached to as long as its not restricted.
All in all a really small part of the game.
Just trying to understand the mechanics of it all.

WEXF

[RangerJoe]

Thanks.
I was noticing that the CXI-W is shown as being able to upgrade to an OS2U-Kingfisher.
That should mean that the Dutch CL that had the CXI-W would have to be able to take a Kingfisher.
The key is to get the single plane unit through resizing.
I expect it doesn't matter what command the float plane is attached to as long as its not restricted.
All in all a really small part of the game.
Just trying to understand the mechanics of it all.

WEXF

Actually, resize the unit to utilize ALL of the potential air support when the ship is disbanded. When the ship is moving with the air unit loaded, the excess above "1" should go into repair if needed then into the reserves and be immediately available in case of loss of the working aircraft. At a base when the air unit unloaded and then disbanded, the reserves should become active up to the size of the unit and be able to be used for patrolling in the immediate area. The AVP will then provide support for the air unit. This is nice at a dot base with no airfield nor port.

[Chris21wen]

I was able to load a Walrus II that was originally on a British cruiser. Thanks.
I noted that the AVP had to be in a TF but could be docked or undocked. If anchored in the port the loading did not work.
It was in a unit that had only a single plane.
Does the unit the plane is coming from have to contain only 1 plane?

WEXF

Transferring ac gets a little complicated but basically it depends upon the receiving ship max ac capacity. That's operational + reserve and in the case of the Dutch AVPs thats two.

You cannot transfer ac from a ship to an anhored ship only to ships in TF. To transfer ac to an anchored ship the ac need to be in the base.

If the transfer of ac causes the receiving ship to exceed it max cap then it cannot be done.

If the transfer results in <= the max capacity then the transfer is possible but what happens depends up were the ship is, TF or anchored.

For ships in a TF then only the operational ac will be transferred. E.g. A unit the 2 x SOC-1 Seagull can be transferred but only one, that's one. The game warns you if this is going to happen, loosing the excess.

For ships anchored then both the operational and reserve ac will be trnasferred but both ac will be unserviceable E.g. A unit the 2 x SOC-1 Seagull can be transferred, both being shown as damaged. There is no warning as you simply cannot transfer too many anyway.

For the most part FP are interchangeable on ships, it's only the size of the unit that restricts there transfer. The first bit advisable here as I vaguely remember something?

I forgot to add that this is for FP ships, not carriers although the basic rules still apply.

[Chris21wen]

Clarifying carriers the basic rules still apply.

There are three capacities for carriers based on ther normal capacity. Full ops upto >10% more, partial >=15% more were ops have penalties, and >= 20% where no ops are possible, only transfers. E.g the VR replacement units. The later can only be acheived by loading when anchored.

[WEXF]

Chris21:
This really answers the question. Thanks so much.
I expect there are many of us WITP-AE gamers that learned from your post.
WEXF

[RangerJoe]

I was able to load a Walrus II that was originally on a British cruiser. Thanks.
I noted that the AVP had to be in a TF but could be docked or undocked. If anchored in the port the loading did not work.
It was in a unit that had only a single plane.
Does the unit the plane is coming from have to contain only 1 plane?

WEXF

Transferring ac gets a little complicated but basically it depends upon the receiving ship max ac capacity. That's operational + reserve and in the case of the Dutch AVPs thats two.

You cannot transfer ac from a ship to an anhored ship only to ships in TF. To transfer ac to an anchored ship the ac need to be in the base.

If the transfer of ac causes the receiving ship to exceed it max cap then it cannot be done.

If the transfer results in <= the max capacity then the transfer is possible but what happens depends up were the ship is, TF or anchored.

For ships in a TF then only the operational ac will be transferred. E.g. A unit the 2 x SOC-1 Seagull can be transferred but only one, that's one. The game warns you if this is going to happen, loosing the excess.

For ships anchored then both the operational and reserve ac will be trnasferred but both ac will be unserviceable E.g. A unit the 2 x SOC-1 Seagull can be transferred, both being shown as damaged. There is no warning as you simply cannot transfer too many anyway.

For the most part FP are interchangeable on ships, it's only the size of the unit that restricts there transfer. The first bit advisable here as I vaguely remember something?

I forgot to add that this is for FP ships, not carriers although the basic rules still apply.

Transferring aircraft yes, but dock them and then load the air unit. An aircraft carrier can load up to 4 times its operating capacity to transport them, then fly them to a land base or if the are carrier capable, then to another aircraft carrier.

But float planes can be loaded as cargo as in an air transport TF, if the ship has the capability to operate any float planes, then that ship should have some operational.

[Chris21wen]

Didn't consider air tranport missions.

You are correct it is possible to use the 'transfer to dock ship' option but only to carriers. For normal air transport/cargo etc it's not possible as only one air group can be loaded onto any ship.

Using the cargo space on ships with FP to carry other FP is possible but they won't fly from cargo space, or shouldn't. Only those loaded as normal will.