DD Evertsen and SS S-39 were both set to be worked on by "repair ship" at "Normal". There are only 2 repair ships at Perth that could have contributed to the work, one AD and one AR. There is an AS but neither of the two ships could be helped by the AS.
DD Evertsen has 3 system damage and 2 major engine damage. Work could have been done by the AD on the systems and the AR could have worked on all of the damage. All together Evertsen only received 28 repair points this turn and only 1 system damage was removed. She now is at 27(57%)=47.4.
S-39 only has 1 major engine damage so the AS could not be helpful, The AR could. Actually nothing happened to S-39. She received no repair points this turn. She still shows 45(95%)=47.4, exactly the same numbers she started the turn with.
Together the two repair ships could have provided up to 166 repair points. They only delivered 28!
What happened is unclear and is being investigated.
The AS and AD will only help at Pier Side repairs, the AR will do the Repair ship repairs if it can but it will also do work on Pier Side if there are no specific ships assigned to the Repair ship.
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RangerJoe wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:49 am
The AS and AD will only help at Pier Side repairs, the AR will do the Repair ship repairs if it can but it will also do work on Pier Side if there are no specific ships assigned to the Repair ship.
Not sure I understand what you are saying. The AD did help DD Evertsen while Evertsen was assigned to "repair ship". That is clear since the system damage on Evertsen went from 3>2. None of the other ships could have been helped by the AD.
The AS certainly helped the PS repairs of O23 with some repair points.
What the AR did is unclear. None of the major damage on O23, S-39 or Evertsen was repaired. The AR might have assisted O23 with the non-major damage repairs.
I believe there is no way to actually know where a "repair ship" is assigned.
I had thought that the reason for S-39 not receiving any repairs might have been related to what in the Repair Guide 101 is called "repair workers". But that concept only applies to ships in Pier Side or Readiness mode and S-39 was in "repair ship" mode. The only ship that RW impact would be O23. Doing that calculation provided"
RW needed = [(11x10) + (934/500)] which comes out as (110 + 1.868)=111.868. Since O23 was at "critical" the RW needed is multiplied by 4 giving a final total needed of 447.472. Perth is a P6 and therefore generates only 378 RW available to work on ships. So there are not enough workers to do everything that can be done. So it is possible that more could have been done on O23 but this would not have had any impact on the ships in "repair ship" mode.
Moving forward with repairs at Perth remains somewhat complex so a revision to the priorities and assignments has been ordered.
Arend remains in the SY at "high".
There are 2 PT boats that are in need of some minor repairs and they are at "readiness".
S-39 has only a single point of major engine damage and is the only ship assigned to "repair ship" mode and is at a "critical" priority to get it out on assignment. Hopefully, the AR will be assigned by the "repair manager".
DD Evertsen has been set at Pier Side with a "normal" priority. Hopefully the 2 system damage can be addressed this way.
O23 remains at "Pierside" but priority has been lowered from "Critical" to "High". By doing this the calculations of the repair workers needed to support the work on the PT Boats, Evertsen and O23 come out to a total of only 186 needed. That is only 50% of the 378 that Perth has available.
It will be interesting to see what actually happens.
I have never been able to assign a ship being repaired to "repair ship" unless an AR or an ARD is located there. My understanding is that when the SS-39 is assigned to a repair ship, then that is what the repair ship will work on. If the SS-39 was not assigned to a repair ship then the repair ship will help wherever it is needed.
But reading this:
"14.2.1.4 REPAIR OF MAJOR DAMAGE
For most ships, large amounts major damage can only be repaired in a shipyard or by a repair
ship or an ARD (in certain circumstances). For small craft, major damage can also be repaired
at a port or alongside a tender.For PT Boats, Motor Gun Boats, Motor Launches, Patrol Craft,
Patrol Boats, Sub Chasers, Minesweepers, Yard Minesweepers, Coastal Minesweepers, Yard
Patrol Craft, and Harbor Defense Motor Launches: Major damage can be repaired by a size 4
port (or larger), except for ships with a tonnage greater than 499, which require a port of size
tonnage/100. Major damage can also be repaired by an AR, AD, AG, or AGP if available.
For Barges (LB, LCVP, LCM, LCT): Same as above except no tonnage check on the port size and
AD excluded (just AR, AG, AGP).
For Midget Submarines: Major Engine Damage can be repaired by a port of size 6 or greater, or
by an AR or AS. Major Float Damage still requires a shipyard or ARD.
For Merchant ships (xAP, xAPc, xAK, xAKL, TK), small cargo ships, yard oilers and transports
(AKL, YO, APc): Major damage can be repaired at a port with size equal to 100 per ship tonnage.
That is, a level 1 port can repair ships of 1-100 tons, a level 2 can repair ships of 101-200
tons, etc.
Repair ships (AR) can repair all major damage for Small Craft. They can also repair major
engine damage of 5 points or less and major flotation damage of 5 points or less on any ship.
Ports of size 7 and above can also repair major engine and major floatation damage of five
points or less, but only if the ship is taken offline (assigned to pier side repair mode)."
on page 241 of the manual, I see that you are correct. I did not see that part in the quote that stated that destroyer tenders are repair (AR) ships for destroyers.
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RangerJoe wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:43 pm
My understanding is that when the SS-39 is assigned to a repair ship, then that is what the repair ship will work on. If the SS-39 was not assigned to a repair ship then the repair ship will help wherever it is needed.
I will quit trying to help you now.
Ranger Joe:
In the last turn S-39 was assigned to "repair ship" mode but no repairs were made on her. There was a single major engine damage that I would have thought might have been repaired by the AR. I expect the "repair manager" handled it some other way.
Please continue to help. This is a very complex game and I need all the help I can get.
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An update was provided on the Dutch ships that were able to withdraw from the DEI recently and make it to Australia. All of the PT boats are fully armed and most are already deployed. Three remain at Exmouth to complete repairs.
A total of 20 AMc local minesweepers have made it to safety and are currently deployed around northern and western Australia from Darwin to Perth. At the start of hostilities there were 27 of these vessels. Seven have been sunk by enemy action.
There are six different classes of these ships. The vary slightly in tonnage, speed and endurance. All are armed with 2 12.7mm Browning MG but the ammo capacity varies from (12) > (8). All are worth only a single victory point and have almost no ability to survive enemy action. That being said, the AA could possibly shoot down an attacking torpedo plane as the ceiling of the guns are 3600 feet.
The different classes are a bit different in the way they are set up in the Editor. All have random commanders but the day and night experience of the crews are fixed at 25/20 for 3 of the classes and random for the other three. Looking at the table presented earlier in this thread there is no AMc listed but it seems clear that the number that would apply is likely 15 as the experience levels for these crews generally start pretty low. Originally these ships were based at Batavia and Soerabaja.
Command is currently deciding where and how these vessels will be used in the overall defense of the region. Most will be used to patrol for mines in various ports and nearby shallow water but some may be used as pickets to detect enemy activity.
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RangerJoe wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:07 pm
AMcs do not have to be in a TF to work as local minesweepers for the port.
The screenshot above has the AMc "anchored". Are you saying that it can sweep mines while anchored? That sounds strange.
I know that ACM tend mines just by being in port. I think the ACM need fuel on board or in port to do the work.
Every once in a while you might get a message during turn execution saying mines were detected at location "XYZ" and subsequent reports of mines being swept. I think that is what RJ is referring to about AMcs automatically sweeping.
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BBfanboy wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:30 pm
Every once in a while you might get a message during turn execution saying mines were detected at location "XYZ" and subsequent reports of mines being swept. I think that is what RJ is referring to about AMcs automatically sweeping.
Very interesting. Do you know if only AMcs have the chance to locate and clear mines, without detonating them, when not in a TF or do other ships have the same ability? In the Mine Warfare TF Table: 6.6.3 the list for "Local Mine Sweeping TF" has: YMS, YP, HDML as well as AMc. Can all of these detect mines without being in a TF?
The table also lists the following ships as being able to be in a "Mine Sweeping TF": DD, DE, TB, E, PG, PF, KV, PC, PB, ML, DMS, AM and YMS. Can these also detect mines without being in a Mine Sweeping TF?
As the sun rose on 3May there was lots of excitement in Perth. All the officers were called to a briefing at HQ. No details were available but the scuttlebutt was that lots of action had occurred in the DEI and elsewhere and it appears that the Japanese had suffered a "bloody nose".
LCDR Goreck had a quick cup of coffee and raced to the commo shed to see if there were any messages for him. He was glad to get an update on the progress of TF 236. There was now only 1200 tons of supplies remaining to be unloaded and only 3 more days were expected to be needed to complete the process.
The training of the two pilots heading to Perth was also continuing to progress. PO Caruthers improved his experience from 43>44, his defensive skill from 41>42 and his skill at Naval Search from 56>58.
Goerk sent a message requesting that the pilot training be changed from Naval Search to ASW as both pilots badly need to improve that skill.
Gorek ran into CDR Cross and was thrilled to hear that S-39 had finally completed all repairs and been returned to service. It is clear that the final point of major engine damage had been taken care of by the AR. Cross was heading to his ship to get refueled and head out to join S-38 already on "Radar Picket" NW of Perth.
S-38 has been on radar picket for several days and reports from her show that the S-18 boats will be able to remain on picket approximately one month before having to return for refueling.
With a full fuel supply (End: 4050) S-38 was able to reach her PZ and report Endurance of 3818. On 2May S-38 reported Endurance of 3645 and on 3May 3529.
S-39 will take position near S-38 to provide radar coverage over roughly 100 miles of ocean. The radar is pretty poor but the best the Allies have. It is hoped that an early warning of incoming aircraft could be provided as it is thought that only carrier based planes would be able to attack Perth. Both subs have a full complement of 12 torpedoes so they also will be able to provide some protection from surface ships reaching the region.
All of the officers gathered to hear what news would be presented from Command.
A staff officer shared that an operation that had been in the planning for some time had been completed and has just resulted in the heavy damage and likely sinking of a Japanese destroyer of the Kagero Class, one of the enemy's best.
Signal Intel had been received that led command to believe that Japan was improving their facilities at Iwo-jima. That island had increased its port to P2(1) and its AF to 1(1). The decision was made to mine Iwo. In early April a TF was formed containing three American subs: Pollack, Triton and Drum. They were loaded with 52 MK 10 mines and set sail for Iwo. On 26 Apr the minefield was placed and TF 299 headed back to Pearl Harbor to reload its torpedo tubes. Less than a week after the mines were placed the Japanese DD Tokitsukaze hit a mine and suffered heavy damage. Our intel believes that the DD is likely to have already sank. Notice the "minefield" symbol in this screen. SS Tarpon was not one of the minelaying subs but is on a PZ in the region. Unfortunately, Tarpon has been spotted. New orders will be issued for her.
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The screen shows the 10 torpedo tubes of SS Drum only having a single torpedo remaining. The same is true for SS Triton. SS Pollack, a smaller sub, has only 6 tubes with only a single torpedo remaining. All together the TF has 26 torpedoes remaining.
LCDR Gorek had a few minutes before the rest of the briefing would take place so he checked on the status of of Arend and the other ships in repair.
All went as expected for Arend as she was now at 0-45-0 1(2%)=50. That was consistent with previous days in the SY. Arend received 27 repair points of the possible 30. It would be expected that flotation damage would not change this day as more than 30 repair points are needed. Progress is slow but steady.
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Progress on O23 was also as expected. All of the system damage has been repaired. No additional repairs can be done at Pier Side so O23 will be assigned to be worked on by "repair ship" in the hope that the AR will be able to address the 5 major engine damage.
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Looking at DD Evertsen shows that no work had been done on her at all. She remains at 2-0-2 27(57%)=47.4. Somewhat puzzling. Likely all of the RP generated at Pier Side went to O23 with her higher priority. [I had thought I had assigned Evertsen to be worked on by the AD repair ship, but something did not happen the way I thought]. Evertsen will be assigned to be worked on again at Pier Side as no other ship will be worked on in that status.
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Repairs should be predictable going forward. Arend remains alone in the SY. Only O23 is assigned to 'Repair Ship" and the hope is that the 5 major engine damage will be addressed that way. Once that has been done, O23 will be put back in the SY. Work on DD Evertsen will now be done at Pier Side looking to address the 2 system damage. After that is done and after O23 no longer needs the AR, she will be shifted to "repair ship" in the hope that the AR will repair the 2 major engine damage. All three ships are set at "Normal". Hopefully, no new damaged shipping will arrive in Perth for awhile.
When the briefing continued the situation in the DEI was described as "deteriorating rapidly". Palembang was holding out but would eventually fall. Batavia and Soerabaja were OK for now but the enemy had just started to land a unit of 1400 troops with 2 guns at Banjoewangi and it will only be a matter of time before Java will fall. Patrol planes and submarines have spotted 5 enemy fleets in the region containing all types of ships from landing barges to battleships. The three fleets near Denpasar are reported to contain 18 ships including 6 cruisers. A battleship and 3 cruisers are reported heading east about 240 miles west of Makassar. Small groups of Dutch troops that have survived attacks on their bases are resisting in various jungle locations and are tying up enemy forces.
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The screen above shows positions of Dutch submarines in the area. Two of them, KVIII and O24 made successful attacks against enemy shipping reportedly sinking an Aden Class xAK and heavily damaging a Ansyu Class PB that was part of a TF containing a number of transports and escort vessels. KVIII received only a single point of system damage from an attack by enemy escort vessels near Sepandjang.
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The briefing closed with a staff officer informing all present that recent discussions between General MacArthur and Australian HQ have resulted in a new plan for the defense of western and northern Australia that will be implemented over then next few months. The hope is that the enemy can be held off in the DEI long enough to allow the plan to be implemented. Not a lot of detail could be provided at the briefing for security reasons but the staff officer did tell those in attendance that the nearby base at Cunderdin had just been transferred to ABDA control. The 12 RAAF Base Force, an Australian unit, also had been transferred to ABDA control and is at Cunderdin. The unit has significant AA, engineers and aviation support and are undertaking the development of Cunderdin. That base, located on the rail line, already has a small air field but it has the potential to reach any size HQ feels necessary.
Your Intel guys will report any ship hit by your torps as sunk ... but did the captain hear any sinking sounds immediately after the hit or during the subsequent "Ships repair damage" steps? That is the confirmation you need.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
Your Intel guys will report any ship hit by your torps as sunk ... but did the captain hear any sinking sounds immediately after the hit or during the subsequent "Ships repair damage" steps? That is the confirmation you need.
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There were some "sinking sounds" following the torpedo attacks but since there were two different ships hit so is hard to know which one was sinking. The xAK was actually hit a second time with another torpedo which is why I expect that it was the one that went down.
News arrived on the status of TF236 and the training of the two pilots. The TF now has only 700 tons of cargo remaining to be unloaded. That should be completed in two days. Training of the pilots had been changed from "naval search" to ASW. Results do not show any change for either pilot in ASW capability. There is an interesting "green" entry for experience which I expect means that some "experience" has been gained but not enough to register a change in skill numbers.
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