Does Smoke Affect Units in the Hex?

[DukeBannon]

Does smoke adversely affect units in the same hex? I ask because in a recent game my opponent called smoke onto his units effectively making the invisible to my non-thermal equipped units.

[cbelva]

Yes it does.

[DukeBannon]

Thanks for the response but because of my poorly titled question I'm not sure if you are saying that smoke gets in your eyes; adversely affects units in the same hex; or both! What affect if any does smoke have on units in the same hex?

[cbelva]

I could be wrong, but I think it affect the unit trying to see into that hex and not the unit in the hex trying to see out.

[DukeBannon]

That's what I thought, and it is a great tactic for units equipped with thermal sites. It almost makes them invulnerable to anything but artillery.

[Tcao]

Does smoke adversely affect units in the same hex? I ask because in a recent game my opponent called smoke onto his units effectively making the invisible to my non-thermal equipped units.

it does, a slightly impact

see here.
Before smoke and after smoke

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That make sense, and I would argue the penalty should be slightly more serve. Because the AFV in 80era don't have CITV, ( The Commanders Independent Thermal Viewer )

so instead of the whole crew team conduct search & spotting, now you have only the gunner can look through the smoke.





Also, please note non-TI equipped units los will not be blocked if it is sit on the same hex with the smoke screen

[Tcao]

That's what I thought, and it is a great tactic for units equipped with thermal sites. It almost makes them invulnerable to anything but artillery.

Amen to that!
remember how you lost one of the T-64B in CMCW PBEM ? I dropped a smoke screen then drove my M60A3 TTS behind it.




In FCSS smoke will also protect units from artillery, because there is a significant difference on Arty PoK for spotted units and unspotted units.

[CapnDarwin]

As a note with the arty, even if unspotted due to smoke, the target unit will still suffer a readiness drop from the attack.

[DukeBannon]

Thanks everyone for your responses. This is very enlightening. This is a HUGE advantage for units with thermals which I assume is reasonably correct for the time period.

I'd like to hear of tactics others are using to mitigate this advantage?

[byzantine1990]

Thanks everyone for your responses. This is very enlightening. This is a HUGE advantage for units with thermals which I assume is reasonably correct for the time period.

I'd like to hear of tactics others are using to mitigate this advantage?

I think it’s just lots of artillery/air strikes and using covered approaches as much as possible.

[Tcao]

BRM with its GSR can detect the target behind the smoke.
And if you need to take a critical position that cover by NATO units and smoke, then you have to tolerant huge loss and rush the units through the smoke.

[IronMikeGolf]

Smoke between units has full effect. Smoke in the target location or in the firing location has a reduced effect.

The CITV is accounted for as a separate sensor.