Patch thoughts ++

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

Latest patch change to weather has turned the *key part of the game, back to Waterworld.

The weather Zone, East of Dnieper is a joke. There's no action on these turns. 7 outta 9 turns it's been Snow, Mud or Rain. Frankly, I like Snow the best, at least I can move something. Yeah, I get it. I have History Channel too. The Germans didn't bring their snow boots. It snows in Russia. But come on, March, April, and now May is rain. Then weather will break, Russians will get First Blood.

Remember when it was ping-pong rain between England/France and that determined who gets to win a Battle?

Patch 1.17 = change the weather back

[petedalby]

Sounds ominous....

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

Patch 1.16

Added the map bug, where offensive doesn't not immediately always get territory hex near a city or something. Hoses the Armor Trains, and moving need troops in with double time, etc. Awful.

It's back to the weather coin flip.
Planes cannot flip with ground units.
Weather, already stated.
Japan lost Bomber
Cannot de-trench in weather with Planes

Allies got 15% swing in chance to win. I'm okay with that, it's just a game (hint, hint to the narcs). Limits strategy. I subscribe to having the base game be 50/50 chance of winning, not history.

Think what it really does, limits strategies. I play alot of games, try different stuff all the time. Cookie Cutter still works best. Against top talent, there's no room for change.

[OldCrowBalthazor]

Latest patch change to weather has turned the *key part of the game, back to Waterworld.

The weather Zone, East of Dnieper is a joke. There's no action on these turns. 7 outta 9 turns it's been Snow, Mud or Rain. Frankly, I like Snow the best, at least I can move something. Yeah, I get it. I have History Channel too. The Germans didn't bring their snow boots. It snows in Russia. But come on, March, April, and now May is rain. Then weather will break, Russians will get First Blood.

Remember when it was ping-pong rain between England/France and that determined who gets to win a Battle?

Patch 1.17 = change the weather back

I remember you complaining about the weather between England/France in older versions and you were correct. With the previous patch that allowed all-weather air operations that was solved. That patch also made carrier combat more fair.
So good on you for advocating a change. I liked it too except for the following...

What wasn't realistic was medium bombers getting to detrench targets in foul weather with the last patch. Also the weather in the USSR was not realistic at all. Clear weather in December? Come on man. East Front campaigns had to deal with inclement weather from Oct to May in every war game I have personally played of that theater...and I have played a lot of games too.
With the previous patch, the Axis could continue to blitzkrieg with uber air right through the winter. So the wasn't much chance of a Soviet response the next good weather season like you say.

Anyways you can still operate air missions in all weather. You advocated it and you got it. I think the elimination of de-trenching by medium bombers in bad weather is a fair compromise.
Also, the weather in the USSR is more realistic. The Axis just has to anticipate that season.

Also the flipping of an air unit with a land unit into and through a mountain hex (for example) was an exploit. I was guilty of it too and really abused that.
That was how I used to get General Xue down to Yunnan province by using the Flying Tigers as baggage handlers for his Hq staff.
At least that was how it was before the devs placed Xue in a better position in a later patch.
But still, there are hundreds of examples of getting a unit (that should no be able to) into a hex by plane flipping.

[CaesarAug]

I should think patch 1.16.00.01 refers to any air unit capable of de-entrenchment, i.e., such as tactical bombers too, and indeed any other modded air unit, will not de-entrench in bad weather…

[OldCrowBalthazor]

I should think patch 1.16.00.01 refers to any air unit capable of de-entrenchment, i.e., such as tactical bombers too, and indeed any other modded air unit, will not de-entrench in bad weather…

Your right and I was just using medium bombers as an example concerning de-trenching.
All bombers can still demoralize targets even in bad weather. That's fine (in my opinion) because the bombs are still dropping, causing shock to the units underneath them.
De-trenching means actually targeting the entrenchments visually. With rainy cloud cover or better yet, a snow storm or dust storm, how would that be possible?

In my mind this prohibition of de-trenching by bombers but allowing de-moralization in foul weather is a fair compromise.
Some folks I have talked to didn't want air attacks at all in bad weather and didn't like the previous patch allowing it.
Others applauded the change so they could conduct missions. And yes I agree with this as a turn is roughly a month, so there would be breaks in the weather.
Thing was the only malus was a 50% chance of damage in bad weather...but with full detrenching and demoralization affects.

So anyways again in my opinion not allowing detrenching in bad weather is fair, realistic, and modest.

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

Woke up, had my coffee.

I do like the Yugoslavia fix.

The plane flip taking little bit of time to get used, but yes, for sure, an exploit.
And I was the guy who want "Air base" counters like 3R board game, lol.
Will require more skill on my part.
The Top 10 players in the world are just tough.

I cannot say I love the current patch, and hate the next one which I have not seen.
-EJR

[Ktonos]

For me, air operations in bad weather is a mixed bag. Historically, yes, adversaries used thousands of sorties through severe weather, but with mounting casualties for their planes. Most of the damage was done due to mechanical failings. Imo, ok, allow bad weather air ops, but each time a warplane attempts something, should take somekind of damage - eg 0 to 2 hits, or something dependent on the severity of the weather.

[kaigab]

Personally i think weather in Russia is now more realistic (in reality from September to April in russia mud/ice/raining/snow was the only options). I also like the lack of de-entrechment during snow....this maybe also will force players to use artillery more.

Frankly speaking, asking the weather to go back as before, when you had Axis steamrolling SU during winter with massive air power is something i can't understand.

If the issue is the balance which now may be too much on allied side (on this i agree) eventually tune down allies a bit. I am all for a game where Axis has 50% chance of winning but at same time would be nice to have a game which seems more close to real ww2).

I like all changes to Axis (including taking out the Strategic Bomber to Japan), but i would have preferred also some tuning down on allied part (US) to balance.

[sokulsky]

Imo:
- either China is too strong now or Japan is too weak