A couple of questions

[MichaelHopcroft]

A couple of questions that have come up in my mind (although I haven't seen the description of the game yet so i could be wildly misinformed):

1. Is this going to be an RTS game or will it be an IGOUGO game? I know the latter are out of favor but I really prefer them -- I find them much more playable.

2. What level of detail shoudl i expect as far as casulaties, command, etc.?

[madflava13]

Each side has an orders turn, then the computer executes the orders...

Incredible detail - all the actual ships, land units, air units. Many real pilots and commanders...

Check the game's site on the Matrix Games main page for more info. Also, check the AARs at the top of this forum for some idea of the detail level...

[siRkid]

The game is turn based. I issue my orders and save the game. You issue your orders and save the game. The turn is processed with the AI figuring out how my turns and your turns interact with each other. A replay file is generated so each side can review the results. Several types of reports are generated for reference and then you start all over again.

The level of detail is nothing shot of amazing.
Example report:
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/23/41

Sub attack at 47,45

Japanese Ships
AP Kasuga Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Busho Maru
PG Kanko Maru
PG Keiko Maru
PG Nanpo Maru
PG Okuyo Maru
PG Taiko Maru

Allied Ships
SS Sailfish

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Sub attack near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
MSW Choun Maru #18
MSW Banshu Maru #56
MSW Choun Maru #21
MSW Hinode Maru #20
PC Kyo Maru #11, on fire, heavy damage
PC Kyo Maru #12
PC Kyo Maru #13

Allied Ships
SS Snapper

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Sub attack at 47,48

Japanese Ships
CL Kitakami
CL Sendai
DD Maikaze
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi
DD Hagikaze
DD Fubuki
DD Shinonome
DD Usugumo
DD Shirakumo
DD Isonami
DD Shirayuki
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Uranami
DD Shikinami

Allied Ships
SS Shark, Shell hits 1

Sub attack at 45,47

Japanese Ships
AP Nanrei Maru
MSW Kongo Maru #2
MSW Senyu Maru #2
MSW Takashima Maru
PG Kongosan Maru
PG Kyo Maru #8
PG Kyo Maru #10
PG Seiko Maru
PG Santo Maru

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon

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Sub attack near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
AP Taimei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Busho Maru
PG Kanko Maru
PG Keiko Maru
PG Nanpo Maru
PG Okuyo Maru
PG Taiko Maru

Allied Ships
SS Salmon

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Sub attack at 40,68

Japanese Ships
SS I-123, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Boise, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Barker
DD Bulmer

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Sub attack near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
MSW Hinode Maru #20, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Banshu Maru #56
MSW Choun Maru #18
MSW Choun Maru #21
PC Kyo Maru #12
PC Kyo Maru #13

Allied Ships
SS Snapper

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Air attack on Bandou , at 25,41


Allied aircraft
B-17C Fortress x 15


no losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
G4M1 Betty x 77

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 20 damaged


Allied ground losses:
Men lost 61
Guns lost 7

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
15 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
10 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Air attack on 51st Chinese Corps, at 48,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 31
Ki-30 Ann x 23
Ki-51 Sonia x 52
Ki-15 Babs x 2

no losses


Allied ground losses:
Men lost 35
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
24 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
8 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Air attack on TF at 39,68

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 25
A6M2 Zero x 8
B5N Kate x 12
E8N Dave x 24

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A5M4 Claude: 1 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
B5N Kate: 3 damaged
E8N Dave: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Brewster 339D: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Marblehead, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Houston
CL Boise, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
1 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet
4 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet
4 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet
4 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet
4 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet
4 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Air attack on TF at 39,68

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 19

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 3 destroyed, 11 damaged


Allied Ships
CL Marblehead, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Houston

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Air attack on TF at 26,49


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 12
Hudson I x 13


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Yamagata Maru
DD Kiji
PG Muro Maru
AP Meikai Maru
AP Ryugi Maru
AP Haguro Maru
AP Tamatsu Maru
DD Hayabusa

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
1 x Blenheim I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Blenheim I bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Blenheim I bombing at 10000 feet
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Air attack on TF at 26,49


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 14


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
AP Hakutetsu Maru #13
AP Shoho Maru
PG Sozan Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Blenheim I bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Blenheim I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Blenheim I bombing at 10000 feet
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Air attack on TF at 26,49


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 3


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Tsunushima Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 15000 feet
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Air attack on TF at 39,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
E8N Dave x 20

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
E8N Dave: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged


Allied Ships
DD Parrott
CA Houston
CL Boise, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
3 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E8N Dave bombing at 2000 feet
Sub attack at 45,47

Japanese Ships
AP Nanrei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
MSW Kongo Maru #2
MSW Senyu Maru #2
MSW Takashima Maru
PG Kongosan Maru
PG Kyo Maru #8
PG Kyo Maru #10
PG Seiko Maru
PG Santo Maru

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 35

Sub attack near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
AP Saiho Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PC Shonan Maru #1
PC Shonan Maru #2
PC Shonan Maru #17
PC Takunan Maru #5
PC Ch 32

Allied Ships
SS Salmon

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Ground combat at 48,37

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 39028 troops, 477 guns, 3 vehicles

Defending force 17832 troops, 135 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 147 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 393
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 1784
Guns lost 32

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at 38,37

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 22182 troops, 238 guns, 14 vehicles

Defending force 9007 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 58 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 2
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 224

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 37329 troops, 455 guns, 14 vehicles

Defending force 70466 troops, 757 guns, 52 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 4)


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 263
Guns lost 10
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 752
Guns lost 37
Vehicles lost 3

Ground combat at Manila

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 45878 troops, 616 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 36896 troops, 436 guns, 13 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 376
Guns lost 22
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 98
Guns lost 4

[siRkid]

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[siRkid]

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[siRkid]

So, have I sold you yet, or scared you away? Some people don't like too much detail.

[ADavidB]

ORIGINAL: Kid

So, have I sold you yet, or scared you away? Some people don't like too much detail.

I'll buy, I'll buy!!!!!!! Please ship me one now! [;)]

I've got to stop reading the AARs here - it's killing me to wait for this game.

It's too bad that you folks can't release a new version of UV for us poor souls who can't be alpha/beta testers. It's really hard to play UV any more, knowing that so many nice things will be there in WitP.

Thanks for all the teasers anyway. (drool, sigh, drool, sigh)

Dave Baranyi

[sven6345789]

The addition of industrial information (The engine type for the planes, for example) makes the game even more interesting. I own UV for 2 weeks now, and must say, wow. The whole war in the pacific will probalbly be even better (though i hope we don't get to Version 2.30 this time [;)] ) .
How does the 1941 Scenario start? Is there the possibility for a historical turn (like in PACWAR?). The japanese taskforces were already underway by Dec. 7,1941. How does this work out in the game?

keep up the good work

Sven

[Luskan]

Well, as a tester, I can assure you that UV has not lost its lustre. Simply because of the familiarity, as well as the more limited scope/number of options means that I can call myself a UV veteran. Years from now, we'll still all be WITP newbies.

Especially since UV could almost be played as a two sided board game (up and down, up is IJ down is US etc.) but WITP has so many different directions and fronts it is sometimes really confusing to realise that there is no such thing as a front line usually - and there certainly is great opportunity to send your transports to a backwater base and then realise they're going to sail through the middle of enemy territory etc.

Is very difficult for me to think in so many directions. Every new turn I change my mind for all my tfs, and my designated "push" directions (in spite of the fact that I sit down and scribble out a plan and a basic timeline before I start).

[mbatch729]

ORIGINAL: ADavidB

ORIGINAL: Kid

So, have I sold you yet, or scared you away? Some people don't like too much detail.

I'll buy, I'll buy!!!!!!! Please ship me one now! [;)]

I've got to stop reading the AARs here - it's killing me to wait for this game.

It's too bad that you folks can't release a new version of UV for us poor souls who can't be alpha/beta testers. It's really hard to play UV any more, knowing that so many nice things will be there in WitP.

Thanks for all the teasers anyway. (drool, sigh, drool, sigh)

Dave Baranyi

Ditto...[&o]

[Damien Thorn]

ORIGINAL: Kid

example

What are the split numbers next to supplies and fuel? I'm guessing that's the max amount allowed to be stored at that base before the new "spoilage" starts eating away at some of the excess supplies.

[Mr.Frag]

What are the split numbers next to supplies and fuel? I'm guessing that's the max amount allowed to be stored at that base before the new "spoilage" starts eating away at some of the excess supplies.

When you see a split like that, it means the base is a source of supply. The /numbers is what is added daily. It is used to handle non-production scenarios, and Allies in production scenarios.

Spoilage is a whole 'nother discussion [X(]

[Damien Thorn]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

When you see a split like that, it means the base is a source of supply. The /numbers is what is added daily. It is used to handle non-production scenarios, and Allies in production scenarios.

Thank you. So, in non-production scenarios they now add a certain amount each turn instead of just resetting the base to a fixed amount like in UV? I would consider that a nice improvement.

[Mr.Frag]

So, in non-production scenarios they now add a certain amount each turn instead of just resetting the base to a fixed amount like in UV? I would consider that a nice improvement.

It can not be stressed enough just how dramatic the supply/fuel chain changes the game play.

It's like playing scenario 17 in UV but not using Truk at all, and limiting yourself to a small TF worth of supply and fuel as a once a week treat (randomly throw a dice to determine *IF* it arrives or was sunk on the way).

Try it, you'll start seeing just how much it screws with your planning [:'(]

Thats WitP [&o]

[siRkid]

ORIGINAL: sven6345789

be even better (though i hope we don't get to Version 2.30 this time [;)] ) .
How does the 1941 Scenario start? Is there the possibility for a historical turn (like in PACWAR?). The japanese taskforces were already underway by Dec. 7,1941. How does this work out in the game?

keep up the good work

Sven

You have several options.

1. Historical First Turn
2. Special Surprise Rules

Historical First turn on with special surprise rules on.
The Ai plays the first turn and the results are very close to Dec 7th.

Historical First turn off with special surprise rule on.
Both sides gets to move and the Japs get a powerful first punch. Most testers use the option and the Allied player agrees to house rules not to move any units. Gives you a way to let the Jap player do some thing different.

Then you can figure out the other combos.