For Testing: US/China War 2025: USAF Wing vs PLAN Fujian Battle Group

[Craigkn]

Version 1.6:

- Added a third PLAN surface group
- Added PLAN UAV for ISR
- Modified PLAN CAP missions

I am happy with the PLAN CVBG makeup, but I did modernize the ASW group, and added a SAG. The CVBG remains the primary target.

Thanks for the upgrade you've made Craig but I think it's my problem not being able to express some points well.

Firstly, I pointed out the issue abt Type 054 and 053H3 is for its role in PLAN. AFAIK, these two types of ships are no longer the main combatants of PLAN. They usually act near the coastline of mainland China performing daily patrol. I believe when executing an A2/AD mission, the PLAN will prefer sending more Type 054A than 054 or 053H3(their combat capabilty is kind of out-date).

Secondly, I noticed that you put more Type 054 to replace the Type 053H3 or to fullfill the SAGs. However, something you have to know is that PLAN only have 2 vessels of this type in total(its massive-production successor is Type 054A Jiangkai II and it has better ASW capability). So it would be fine to just replace them with Type 054As.

Hope you could take these into consideration. Scenarios relate to West Pac are always intriguing and exciting, and our goal is to make the scen closer to reality, isn't it?

Replaced Type 054 with Type 054A.

[Sanyr1310]

Version 1.6:

- Added a third PLAN surface group
- Added PLAN UAV for ISR
- Modified PLAN CAP missions

I am happy with the PLAN CVBG makeup, but I did modernize the ASW group, and added a SAG. The CVBG remains the primary target.

Thanks for the upgrade you've made Craig but I think it's my problem not being able to express some points well.

Firstly, I pointed out the issue abt Type 054 and 053H3 is for its role in PLAN. AFAIK, these two types of ships are no longer the main combatants of PLAN. They usually act near the coastline of mainland China performing daily patrol. I believe when executing an A2/AD mission, the PLAN will prefer sending more Type 054A than 054 or 053H3(their combat capabilty is kind of out-date).

Secondly, I noticed that you put more Type 054 to replace the Type 053H3 or to fullfill the SAGs. However, something you have to know is that PLAN only have 2 vessels of this type in total(its massive-production successor is Type 054A Jiangkai II and it has better ASW capability). So it would be fine to just replace them with Type 054As.

Hope you could take these into consideration. Scenarios relate to West Pac are always intriguing and exciting, and our goal is to make the scen closer to reality, isn't it?

Replaced Type 054 with Type 054A.

Thank you for your consistent updates. Feedback coming later.

[Sanyr1310]

SIDE: USAF
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LOSSES:
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6x [DECOY] A/C Hangar (1x Very Large Aircraft)
1x [DECOY] A/C Hardened Aircraft Shelter (1x Large Aircraft)
6x [DECOY] F-22A Raptor
3x [DECOY] F-35A Lightning II
1x [DECOY] MQ-4C Triton UAV [Global Hawk Mod]
1x [DECOY] P-8A Poseidon


EXPENDITURES:
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23x ADM-160C MALD-J [Stand-In OECM]
88x AGM-158C LRASM
63x AIM-260 JATM
5x AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Blk II
9x AN/ALE-70(V)/T-1687 Expendable Decoy
21x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
12x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
10x Rapid Dragon Weapon Pallet [9x AGM-158C LRASM]

SIDE: PLAN
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LOSSES:
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1x [DECOY] 18 Fujian [Type 003]
1x [DECOY] Divine Eagle UAV
2x [DECOY] GJ-11 Sharp Sword UAV
3x [DECOY] GJ-11 Sharp Sword UAV
25x [DECOY] J-15B Flying Shark [Su-33 Copy]
1x [DECOY] J-15D Roaring Shark
2x [DECOY] KJ-600
2x [DECOY] Type 052C Luyang II [170 Lanzhou]
2x [DECOY] Type 052DL Luyang III [156 Zibo]
1x [DECOY] Type 055 Nanchang [101 Nanchang, Zheng He]
1x [DECOY] Type 901 Hulunhu [965]
6x [DECOY] Z-20F
1x [DECOY] Z-9C Haitun
1x [DECOY] Z-9D Haitun


EXPENDITURES:
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2x 100mm/55 H/PJ-87 HECVT
3x 130mm China H/PJ-38 HE
6x 30mm China H/PJ-12 [Type 730, 240 rnds]
9x 30mm China H/PJ-14 [Type 1130, 500 rnds]
2x 30mm China H/PJ-17 [20 rnds]
8x 30mm Gsh-30-1 Burst [30 rnds]
29x DF-21C [600kg HE Conventional, CSS-5 Mod-3] RV
29x DF-21C [600kg HE Conventional, CSS-5 Mod-4]
1x DF-26C [2000kg HE Conventional]
1x DF-26C [2000kg HE Conventional] RV
40x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
65x Generic Flare Rocket [Single Spectral]
3x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
192x HHQ-9B
34x HQ-10 [FL-3000N]
4x HQ-16A [SA-17 Semi-Copy]
59x HQ-9A
17x PL-10
77x PL-15

The USAF Expeditionary Air Wing succesfully fullfilled thier task to stike the PLAN CVBG. Stealth aircrafts played key roles in this scenario by providing deep reconnaissance and ELINT support. LRASMs are just overwhelmed the enemy fire channels.

However, IMO, some things could still be improved:

1. Upgrade the current DB v497a to v499 or v500 since there are some SAMs like HHQ-9B have fuel issue which makes their actual combat radius too small.

2. Set the WRAs of both sides in advance. e.g. 80nm firing range for aim-260, 70nm for PL-15 and 50% of max range for SAMs.

3. Switch on the radars of PLAN surface groups. Their situational awareness are too weak and even if they keep eletronic emission to zero they will still be targeted by USAF.

4. What's the role of MQ-4C and P-8A? Their job can be easily done by F-35Bs in Philipines and are too easy to be detected and shot down.

5. How about set a No Fly Zone covering East China Sea and 1st Chain for USAF? Because these areas are sure to be strongly held by PLAAF air powers. We can let our bombers too close to them. It is much safer to release munitions deep in Philipine Sea.

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[Tcao]

Just finished 1.2

SIDE: USAF
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LOSSES:
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1x F-15EX Eagle II
1x MQ-4C Triton UAV [Global Hawk Mod]
2x MQ-4C Triton UAV [Global Hawk Mod]


EXPENDITURES:
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36x ADM-160C MALD-J [Stand-In OECM]
114x AGM-158C LRASM
24x AGM-88G AARGM-ER
14x AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4
78x AIM-260 JATM
2x AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Blk II
1x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
10x Rapid Dragon Weapon Pallet [9x AGM-158C LRASM]





SIDE: PLAN
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LOSSES:
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1x 18 Fujian [Type 003]
3x GJ-11 Sharp Sword UAV
4x GJ-11 Sharp Sword UAV
30x J-15B Flying Shark [Su-33 Copy]
2x J-15D Roaring Shark
3x KJ-600
1x Type 052C Luyang II [170 Lanzhou]
1x Type 054 Jiangkai I [525 Manshan]
1x Type 055 Nanchang [101 Nanchang, Zheng He]
4x Z-20F
2x Z-9D Haitun


EXPENDITURES:
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1x 100mm/55 H/PJ-87 HECVT
8x 30mm China H/PJ-12 [Type 730, 240 rnds]
6x 30mm China H/PJ-14 [Type 1130, 500 rnds]
1x 30mm China H/PJ-17 [20 rnds]
41x Generic Chaff Rocket
56x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
39x Generic Flare Rocket [Single Spectral]
192x HHQ-9B
23x HQ-10 [FL-3000N]
65x HQ-9A
3x PL-10
46x PL-15

[Craigkn]

I have a version 1.6.2, which uses dbv500, not sure if it changed much on the PLAN side, saw very similar missile expenditures. The key aspect is when the PLAN detects the LRASM swarms. If air assets are taken out, the LRASM's are detected quite late.

Other notes:

- with the three PLAN groups, there is a ton of RNG in play, based on the positions of the fleets. I had one scenario where the SAG was nearly on top of the CVBG, which nearly doubled the SAMs available to the PLAN side - a strike would have failed. I think that a real scenario the PLAN would not group up task forces like that, keeping them in their own operating zones, so I may play with the patrol and teleport.

- I want a more nuanced strike, rather than a massive LRASM spam - mixing MALD-J, AARGM-ER, and other appropriate weapons with the LRASM seems better, as the LRASM will be in very high demand during a US/China conflict.

- The MALD loadout of the B-52's seems so small. This link has them at 16, eventually 20.

[Craigkn]

I think I am "done" with this, unless issues are discovered.

Changelog:

- PLAN has three fleets; the CVBG, a SAG, and a ASW group
- B-1B's removed
- two EA-18G's added
- added expanded no nav zones
- For some reason dbv500 was removed, so this uses dbv499

Edit: I forgot to clear the losses and message log, so new clean version uploaded. Sorry about that.