SCR-270 Radar Not Building

[byron13]

I am running WitP 1.8.1126b from September 17, 2016. Started and played many games with this version and am happy. In the past couple of days, though, I've started several solo games (vs AI) using both December 7 and December 8 full campaign scenarios, and in none of them have the SCR-270 Radar or SCR-270 AS Radar started building. I've run the scenarios for a good while, in some instances in excess of 30 days, taggled stockpiling, and none built. The British radar (Chain hi/low/whatever and the GLD whatever other one) both built at the appropriate rate and add to the pool, and all (including SCR-270) should be available at beginning of game. I notice when I go into the "Industry/Troops/Resource Pool" screen, at the top there is a clickable filter that defaults to "with/without pools." This isn't described in the manual (I don't think), but when I cycle it to "not building," it does list the SCR-270 radar. I have never played the Japanese player, so have no experience with the production system, but my understanding is that the Allied production is pretty much on auto-pilot with maybe some modification in air R&D possible or keeping old lines open. In other words, I'm not aware of a setting somewhere that, if set incorrectly, prevents American radar from not being produced. And it's not a stockpiling issue; they simply aren't being built; zeroes across the line.

I have had instances in which PBYs mysteriously won't get built and, after looking around, see that, somehow, the production was turned off. Pretty sure I didn't do that, but maybe it is a zero occasionally converting to a one. But, as I say, my understanding is that there is no such setting for stuff like radar.

Is this just a corrupted data point that would require a reload, or is there some setting that is wrong? Kind of a bummer to fight all of World War II with no radar at your airfields. Maybe if I dock a picket DD in port . . .

[RangerJoe]

The production of items with a very low production rate is highly variable. Sometimes you will get twice the monthly production, sometimes you might get no production.

But just to be sure for your aircraft production, have the industrial production set to just the aircraft production only and turn them all on. Whether or not you want any of the factories to upgrade is up to you.

Also remember that in the game, December 1941 is not a full month.

But I actually like December, 1963 . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTUhnIY3oRM

[byron13]

Thanks for the response. The production rate of SCR-270 is 30 per month - or one per day. I have run these out at least two weeks and, in one case, thirty days with zero units produced. And, as I say, the Industry/Troops/ Resource Pool box shows, when filtered, that it is not producing SCR-270s. My particular issue is not one of fluctuations in production rates. They are not producing. I perceive the question as being whether I can toggle something somewhere to get it started, or whether, because it is Allied production that really isn't variable, it is corrupted or involves a value that cannot be changed without reloading the game.

[BBfanboy]

I checked my game and they should be producing from 12/41. It shows in three different places in my Industry/Troops/Device pools, only one of them is called SCR-270 AS.
I had my filter set to 'All Nationalities'. Is it possible you have filtered for British units which do not use the SCR-270?
Also, is the device showing anything in the Used So Far column? It is easy to have 0 in the pools if your units are sucking them up as they are built. Check US Base Forces.

[Chris21wen]

Not dug too deaply into devices.

As undestand it some units enter the game with devices that cannot be built, they can be upgraded but what they upgrade has the same restrictions place on them. Becasue they are in the game they will appear in the reserve pool list but will have zero being built.

In the editor ever device has a drop down box labelled 'Can Build', Y or N. This is what I assume controls the above process.

In scenario 1 there are two SCR-270 devices, 137 and 1191. The 'Can Build' box for 137 says NO, for 1191 it says YES. Therefore one entry (1191) will have numbers indicating building, the other (137) will not. I do not know why there is a build rate for 137 it it can't be built? Maybe it's left over from testing or the game uses them in some way that we are not privy to.

I have not thoughly checked but I cannot find any toe that uses device 137, they all appear to use 1191 anyway.

Both of these can be upgraded to from Sound Detector (A) but that opens a whole new bag or worms as there are five, with most being used by different countries, USSR, Aus, US etc.

[BBfanboy]

I think the SCR-270 device 137 might be for small scenarios where production is not modeled because of the short timeframe. In my game I am not stockpiling my radars and I have 183 in the pool for the last instance of the device name. The first two in the list (SCR-270AS and SCR-270) have had no production and none in the pools.

Edit to add: there is an SCR-270 (LL) slated for production of 1 per month in 1944. The LL means Lend Lease and that usually means a device going to China.

[byron13]

Thank you for the responses. I really appreciate good people reaching out to help. No chance of confusion with a British or Commonwealth item; I know some of the Aussie stuff upgrades to SCR-270. I'm looking at U.S. Army air search radar. I carefully manage my stockpiling and replacements in the beginning of a game; for example, to ensure that Midway gets the first radar set available. For some reason, it never started producing. Like I say, zeroes across the line other than production rate of 30. Zero built so far, zero for the month, zero used, zero in pool. It reminded me of the instance when PBY's were suspiciously not producing and, after looking around, saw that production had been turned off.

So I am interested in looking at the editor. I'm embarrassed to say I've had the game twenty years and never knew I had the editor. I think that is a good thing to look at. What you describe in the editor with a build y or n was the kind of switch I was thinking of (but didn't know existed). I'll check that out. I'm also wondering if downloading a modified scenario may have dorked things. It was a long time ago and the scenario itself worked fine (including production of SCR-270). But I was not happy with that scenario's AI, so aborted and was going back to a stock scenario. After reading last night about AndyMac's updated scenarios, I'm wondering if something is going on with some weird interference between different scenarios, a file that should have been deleted but wasn't, etc.

Quick question: I see i have an editor manual, but did not see an editor .exe. There is an editor exe somewhere, right?

Probably time to upgrade scenarios anyway to get fresh AI. If the build switch isn't the answer, I'll just reload everything and then download some of Andy Mac's.

[insecttoid3]

I have not thoughly checked but I cannot find any toe that uses device 137, they all appear to use 1191 anyway.

in 1126b its only listed in the TOE column for the 1/1 Ceylon Det., but where it has a sound detector in its actual devices. This seems to have been fixed for 1127, and I can find no other instance of its use in either for scenario 1.

[BBfanboy]

I did a random sampling of my Allied divisions and Base Forces. I am in September 1942, using V 1126a, Scenario 1. Here's what I found:

Units I did not allow to upgrade did not have radar. Some had sound detectors and some had observer corps squads.

USN and USAAF BFs that were unrestricted (allowed to upgrade) all had the SCR-270 radar. USA BF are meant to be mobile with the troops so they do not have radar.
All my RAF BFs that were unrestricted use the No.1 Mk 1 GLI radar but some of the RN BFs use the SCR-270 and some use the GLI radar.
My full-sized Soviet VVS BFs allowed to upgrade had the SCR-270 radar. The VVS Outpost BFs did not.
USMC Defence Battalions had SCR-270 radar. None of my other fighting divisions nor smaller units had radar in their TOE.
NZ AA Brigades have the SCR-270 radar but the Australian Heavy AA Regiment does not, nor is it in the current TOE.

I filtered my pool for Search Radars/All Nations. The first two instances of SCR-270 and SCR-270 AS showed production but none in the pools, but lower down the list there is an entry for SCR-270 radar that shows 191 in the pool. Device numbers are not shown in this list so I cannot tell you which number it is.

Looks like you have not found that item in your database yet. Open your database, devices tab, and enter SCR-270 as your search string. It will take you immediately to the first instance of that string. You need to hit return again to skip the the next instance and repeat to get to the third one. (I could do it for you but searching the database is something you should learn.)