New! v1127 Public Beta Available

[Platoonist]

Please don't interpret this as nudging, but is there an updated estimate on when the patch will be released? I am glad to wait while the kinks are ironed out but wanted to know for personal life planning purposes when I can dive back in.

I imagine there is some reluctance to state an estimate anymore because every time the date slips----

[RangerJoe]

Please don't interpret this as nudging, but is there an updated estimate on when the patch will be released? I am glad to wait while the kinks are ironed out but wanted to know for personal life planning purposes when I can dive back in.

I imagine there is some reluctance to state an estimate anymore because every time the date slips----

Then when the date is passed, someone smarts off . . .

[Daslink]

Fair enough. I'll park this on my gaming back-burner for a bit but I'll be back. Good luck!

[Tanaka]

Please don't interpret this as nudging, but is there an updated estimate on when the patch will be released? I am glad to wait while the kinks are ironed out but wanted to know for personal life planning purposes when I can dive back in.

I imagine there is some reluctance to state an estimate anymore because every time the date slips----

Then when the date is passed, someone smarts off . . .

It's been two years now and I think most of us have been more than patient and appreciative waiting on it but at some point a little humor is warranted when date after date after date passes and you start stretching into years. It kind of starts to become a running joke. I mean we have had forum members pass waiting on this patch and that is not a joke...

There could have been a lot of beta testing done by forum members during all this time to help out but oh well...

[RangerJoe]

I imagine there is some reluctance to state an estimate anymore because every time the date slips----

Then when the date is passed, someone smarts off . . .

It's been two years now and I think most of us have been more than patient and appreciative waiting on it but at some point a little humor is warranted when date after date after date passes and you start stretching into years. It kind of starts to become a running joke. I mean we have had forum members pass waiting on this patch and that is not a joke...

There could have been a lot of beta testing done by forum members during all this time to help out but oh well...

How do you know that forum members have not been beta testing?

How do you know that the problem is beta testing?

Why do you think that this is a joke?

Just how long has this game already been out and how many updates have been done? Financially, how much has any of these updates cost you and/or anyone else?

As far as people passing, people do that every day. That is a fact of life. Please tell the forum just how many members have passed because this update has not yet been released? Please provide proof and/or links to proof.

[Kitakami]

Then when the date is passed, someone smarts off . . .

It's been two years now and I think most of us have been more than patient and appreciative waiting on it but at some point a little humor is warranted when date after date after date passes and you start stretching into years. It kind of starts to become a running joke. I mean we have had forum members pass waiting on this patch and that is not a joke...

There could have been a lot of beta testing done by forum members during all this time to help out but oh well...

How do you know that forum members have not been beta testing?

How do you know that the problem is beta testing?

Why do you think that this is a joke?

Just how long has this game already been out and how many updates have been done? Financially, how much has any of these updates cost you and/or anyone else?

As far as people passing, people do that every day. That is a fact of life. Please tell the forum just how many members have passed because this update has not yet been released? Please provide proof and/or links to proof.

A question: was your tone warranted?

I will now retreat.

[RangerJoe]

It's been two years now and I think most of us have been more than patient and appreciative waiting on it but at some point a little humor is warranted when date after date after date passes and you start stretching into years. It kind of starts to become a running joke. I mean we have had forum members pass waiting on this patch and that is not a joke...

There could have been a lot of beta testing done by forum members during all this time to help out but oh well...

How do you know that forum members have not been beta testing?

How do you know that the problem is beta testing?

Why do you think that this is a joke?

Just how long has this game already been out and how many updates have been done? Financially, how much has any of these updates cost you and/or anyone else?

As far as people passing, people do that every day. That is a fact of life. Please tell the forum just how many members have passed because this update has not yet been released? Please provide proof and/or links to proof.

A question: was your tone warranted?
Is this question meant for me?

I will now retreat.No comment . . .

[Zovs]

Well 34 pages later and the original posting of the v11.27 update was:

Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:52 am

So that is 1 year, and almost 3 months in passing. To me 15 months is rather long for a minor version update (11.26 to 11.27 is a minor version update, if it were from 11.26 to version 12.0 then yeah that makes sense for a major version update).

Granted I am used to updates from 2by3 for WITE2 taking 1 day to a few weeks, and even any major version changes there are a culmination of patches, but they are at version 1.03.09.

So I can see both sides of the "argument".

[btd64]

Please don't interpret this as nudging, but is there an updated estimate on when the patch will be released? I am glad to wait while the kinks are ironed out but wanted to know for personal life planning purposes when I can dive back in.

Thank for all the hard work! It's appreciated.

Should be soon. Please be patient....GP

[btd64]

Then when the date is passed, someone smarts off . . .

It's been two years now and I think most of us have been more than patient and appreciative waiting on it but at some point a little humor is warranted when date after date after date passes and you start stretching into years. It kind of starts to become a running joke. I mean we have had forum members pass waiting on this patch and that is not a joke...

There could have been a lot of beta testing done by forum members during all this time to help out but oh well...

How do you know that forum members have not been beta testing?

How do you know that the problem is beta testing?

Why do you think that this is a joke?

Just how long has this game already been out and how many updates have been done? Financially, how much has any of these updates cost you and/or anyone else?

As far as people passing, people do that every day. That is a fact of life. Please tell the forum just how many members have passed because this update has not yet been released? Please provide proof and/or links to proof.

Correct Joe. Also we have a small team doing this update. So be patient....GP

[pz501]

Maybe we can all take a step back and tone it down a bit?

I agree that it' s been a long time coming for this patch, and maybe the issue is just a lack of progress reporting?

I remember when the initial 11.27 was released for evaluation, and many people were willing to take a look, comment, and offer suggestions. Maybe it would be a good idea to try this once more as a sort of final test run? Sometimes despite our best efforts, it's possible to overlook something only because we're too involved, but a new set of eyes can spot things right away. Just a thought, and the people in charge would know if this is even worth doing.

I don't believe it's worth getting worked up and at each other's throats over this, and I'm sure everyone involved with the actual work is doing the best they can and are well aware of the growing impatience.

Peace my friends. One day when we least expect it'll be ready.

[RangerJoe]

Well 34 pages later and the original posting of the v11.27 update was:

Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:52 am

So that is 1 year, and almost 3 months in passing. To me 15 months is rather long for a minor version update (11.26 to 11.27 is a minor version update, if it were from 11.26 to version 12.0 then yeah that makes sense for a major version update).

Granted I am used to updates from 2by3 for WITE2 taking 1 day to a few weeks, and even any major version changes there are a culmination of patches, but they are at version 1.03.09.

So I can see both sides of the "argument".

It may be correct that this started as a minor version update but it went from a few fixes to many more than that.

[hossjww30]

I've been playing wargames since the '80's and this is by far my favorite game. It's really a work of art and not a game so I hope they don't screw it up w/ this patch.

[Tanaka]

It's been two years now and I think most of us have been more than patient and appreciative waiting on it but at some point a little humor is warranted when date after date after date passes and you start stretching into years. It kind of starts to become a running joke. I mean we have had forum members pass waiting on this patch and that is not a joke...

There could have been a lot of beta testing done by forum members during all this time to help out but oh well...

How do you know that forum members have not been beta testing?

How do you know that the problem is beta testing?

Why do you think that this is a joke?

Just how long has this game already been out and how many updates have been done? Financially, how much has any of these updates cost you and/or anyone else?

As far as people passing, people do that every day. That is a fact of life. Please tell the forum just how many members have passed because this update has not yet been released? Please provide proof and/or links to proof.

Correct Joe. Also we have a small team doing this update. So be patient....GP

I don't know anything because very little is communicated on the forums to us. And because it is always reiterated that it is a very small team and that is why it is taking so long I'm assuming this means very few others are involved or included and thus my suggestion that many of us could have helped beta test. It is all shrouded in secrecy and mystery. A lot of people have kind of given up on the patch. It has been talked about and joked about all over the forums and discords. Financially I've spend hundreds of dollars since Pacific War to Uncommon Valor to War in the Pacific to War in the Pacific Admirals Edition. People have not passed because this update has not been released. People have passed because we are coming up on two years. Everyone has long been very patient and appreciative but at some point you kind of get burnt out on it. I'm just reiterating facts not out to start wars.

[pz501]

How do you know that forum members have not been beta testing?

How do you know that the problem is beta testing?

Why do you think that this is a joke?

Just how long has this game already been out and how many updates have been done? Financially, how much has any of these updates cost you and/or anyone else?

As far as people passing, people do that every day. That is a fact of life. Please tell the forum just how many members have passed because this update has not yet been released? Please provide proof and/or links to proof.

Correct Joe. Also we have a small team doing this update. So be patient....GP

I don't know anything because very little is communicated on the forums to us. And because it is always reiterated that it is a very small team and that is why it is taking so long I'm assuming this means very few others are involved or included and thus my suggestion that many of us could have helped beta test. It is all shrouded in secrecy and mystery. A lot of people have kind of given up on the patch. It has been talked about and joked about all over the forums and discords. Financially I've spend hundreds of dollars since Pacific War to Uncommon Valor to War in the Pacific to War in the Pacific Admirals Edition. People have not passed because this update has not been released. People have passed because we are coming up on two years. Everyone has long been very patient and appreciative but at some point you kind of get burnt out on it. I'm just reiterating facts not out to start wars.

I understand the point and think that communication and information while not speeding things up, could at least go a long way towards satisfying people's desire for a status report every now and then. I don't think anyone needs a detailed testing or change log, and certainly not daily or even weekly updates. I'd be satisfied with some short and concise comments every 2-4 weeks myself.

The last thing I want to see is a war of words starting up over this, to the point where a moderator or higher up feels a need to step in.

[Andrew Brown]

In the prior versions of the game, including 11.26a, TF could become stuck or lost if you gave them new routing orders while they were still in the TF holding box on the way to or from an off-map base. Since there are no actual hexes between the exit from the map and the off-map base, the game does a calculation of when the TF should show up there. But if you interrupt it during that timeline (not distance calculation), the game engine does not know where the TF is in space, so it can lose track of it completely. Call it a 'divide by 0' type calculation. Most of us long time players found out about that problem the hard way. Not really a bug - I think there are warnings not to try and change off-map travel orders.

I haven't visited the forums in a long time (although I have been spending a lot of time fixing database errors that were reported for the update). What you said about not rerouting TFs in off map boxes is right - it can result in wierd things happening and TFs getting 'stuck'.

Regarding the new map - for the update we have reverted to a map that is just a minor update on the original map (with some new islands added and that's about it). The expanded map that we were trialling has been abandoned. I use it myself, but it hasn't been a success for the beta, so it's back to the (updated) original. I hope that also reduces the changes of TFs getting 'stuck' in odd places.

I am now generating two sets of new scenarios:
- One set that uses the 'expanded' map that was included in the first beta release of the new patch
- One set that uses the 'standard' (but updated) map that will be included in the second beta of the new patch (hopefully to be released fairly soon now)

What I intend to do is make sure that, if we do stick with the 'standard' (but updated) map when the patch is finally out of beta, is to make sure that the 'expanded' map, and the full set of scenarios made for it, are available for download.

It is possible that both maps and both sets of scenarios could be included in the final release, but unfortunately there isn't an elegant way of allowing players to switch between them.

Note that the updated 'standard' map still has some new islands, as well as some minor art and terrain updates, so the old map mods made for the original map will be mostly, but not 100%, compatible.

Also, the scenario editor can edit any scenario created for any map.

Thank you Andrew. Any chance you will still update the expanded map for the beta separately for those of us that would like to use it as per above?

Yes I will.

[Andrew Brown]

If anyone having trouble with TFs getting 'stuck' due to off-map movement, I would greatly appreciate it if they could send me a copy of the map data file they are using (the 'pwhexe.dat' file from the main game folder), a copy of the scenario they are using, and a save of the game if they have one. I can take a look.

Thanks

[RangerJoe]

How do you know that forum members have not been beta testing?

How do you know that the problem is beta testing?

Why do you think that this is a joke?

Just how long has this game already been out and how many updates have been done? Financially, how much has any of these updates cost you and/or anyone else?

As far as people passing, people do that every day. That is a fact of life. Please tell the forum just how many members have passed because this update has not yet been released? Please provide proof and/or links to proof.

Correct Joe. Also we have a small team doing this update. So be patient....GP

I don't know anything because very little is communicated on the forums to us. And because it is always reiterated that it is a very small team and that is why it is taking so long I'm assuming this means very few others are involved or included and thus my suggestion that many of us could have helped beta test. It is all shrouded in secrecy and mystery. A lot of people have kind of given up on the patch. It has been talked about and joked about all over the forums and discords. Financially I've spend hundreds of dollars since Pacific War to Uncommon Valor to War in the Pacific to War in the Pacific Admirals Edition. People have not passed because this update has not been released. People have passed because we are coming up on two years. Everyone has long been very patient and appreciative but at some point you kind of get burnt out on it. I'm just reiterating facts not out to start wars.

I did not seem that way to me and it still does not seem that way to me. You could have always asked for an update. You also could have read previous posts to inform yourself as to what was happening and why it is taking so long for a free update to an old game.

[pontiouspilot]

I have not checked in here lately. I'm impressed that people are still working on improving this old veteran. I have read the first few pages and last couple only. My question is how this update works with the "Seabee App"?

Many thanks to those who have kept this alive.

[btd64]

I have not checked in here lately. I'm impressed that people are still working on improving this old veteran. I have read the first few pages and last couple only. My question is how this update works with the "Seabee App"?

Many thanks to those who have kept this alive.

It should work the same but wait for the next update....GP