A New Set of BTS, RA, and Treaty Mods

[traskott]

Nice job, waiting to test it

[John 3rd]

We have an easy one DONE with the old Between the Storms: Heavy becoming BTS: Fleet Faction.

If I can get about 2-3 hours carved out, should be able to do the same thing the middle ground BTS.

The BTS: Air/Treaty-Faction is the one that will take work and become an all-new Mod.

[RangerJoe]

Would you consider a mod where the Army, instead of the Navy, expands to be able to conquer Siberia as well? Not so much extra naval toys but more land based air and ground forces with the attendant armored and other vehicle expansions. If you read about how the Soviets took their best units against a Japanese division that was not fully equipped and trained, you might consider the battle not to be a loss for Japan. Rather use it to consider improving things, especially with help from Germany and possibly Italy as far as artillery, armored fighting vehicles as well as motorized transport. This could include a "peace" between Nationalist China and Japan with Japan and Nationalist cooperating against the Communist Chinese.

[ny59giants]

While talking ships and what will be available at start there is another topic that is important - yearly pilot experience. Both sides get training group which helps build up their experience faster, but I'll let John post the numbers that we have for each mod and if there should be any adjustments made there. Can someone please clarify that come '43 the Americans still have the lower experienced pilots from '42 to go through before the newer and higher experienced '43 pilots can be utilized from the pools?

[John 3rd]

Good thoughts Michael...

and...

HOW 'BOUT THEM CHIEFS??!!

[1EyedJacks]

Good thoughts Michael...

and...

HOW 'BOUT THEM CHIEFS??!!

lol - it was a good game. Hey John - if'n you could send me the updated files I'd greatly appreciate it! And thanx much for all the work you've put into these.

[1EyedJacks]

Hi John and Michael,

Question regarding the aircraft - these were all updated with Symon's information - right? And that'll be the same for the new mods you are working on, too?

And lemme know if you need a tester. Now that I've retired, I have a wee bit more time to futz around with this game.

[bigred]

While talking ships and what will be available at start there is another topic that is important - yearly pilot experience. Both sides get training group which helps build up their experience faster, but I'll let John post the numbers that we have for each mod and if there should be any adjustments made there. Can someone please clarify that come '43 the Americans still have the lower experienced pilots from '42 to go through before the newer and higher experienced '43 pilots can be utilized from the pools?

[John 3rd]

Good thoughts Michael...

and...

HOW 'BOUT THEM CHIEFS??!!

lol - it was a good game. Hey John - if'n you could send me the updated files I'd greatly appreciate it! And thanx much for all the work you've put into these.

Hey Sir. Would love the assistance! PM me your email address and I'll send the BTS--Fleet Faction for you to see. Plan to get BTS--Moderate done next day or two.

[John 3rd]

BTS--Fleet folder sent to One-Eyed...

[John 3rd]

OK. Got some time to start working Between the Storms--Moderate. Need a new title.

This is the middle ground/balanced Mod.
--The FLEET Faction gets the heavy Mod with the 4 Yamato's, the 6 Light BC's, and and heavier CLs.
--The Moderate Mod dials back the BBs to 4 Owari-Class and 2 B-65 BC with the addition of 6 Niitaka-Class CA, and the 'normal' CLs.
--The TREATY Faction variant is not designed YET but we are talking about only adding B-65 BC, more CA, and the 'regular' CL OR, perhaps, an AA CL like the Moon-Class DD but BIGGER. We would add pair or two new sets of Shokaku-Class instead of the BB construction. Not sure... Could also allow more conversions from APs into CVEs? Got ideas but WANT some suggestions from the Forum.

[John 3rd]

Here is the BTS--Medium OOB construction plan:

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Construction Plan:
4 BB of the Owari-Class (3x3 16" 45,000 T 30 Knots): Owari and Hitachi in service on Dec 7th, Iwaki (6/43), and Aki (11/44)
2 BC of the B-65-Class (3x3 14" 31,500T 33 Knots): Kawachi (in service) and Kasuga (6/43)
6 CA of the Niitaka-Class (4x3 8" 16,000T 33 Knots): Niitaka and Suzuka (in service), Abashiri (6/42), Yubetsu (11/42), Shizunai (4/44), and Zenbako (9/44)
8 CL of the Tokoro-Class (3x3 6" 8,000T 33 Knots): Tokoro (in service) and 7 more during the war.

[John 3rd]

Need a REAL name for the middle Mod...ideas??? Suggestions???

[RangerJoe]

OK. Got some time to start working Between the Storms--Moderate. Need a new title.

This is the middle ground/balanced Mod.
--The FLEET Faction gets the heavy Mod with the 4 Yamato's, the 6 Light BC's, and and heavier CLs.
--The Moderate Mod dials back the BBs to 4 Owari-Class and 2 B-65 BC with the addition of 6 Niitaka-Class CA, and the 'normal' CLs.
--The TREATY Faction variant is not designed YET but we are talking about only adding B-65 BC, more CA, and the 'regular' CL OR, perhaps, an AA CL like the Moon-Class DD but BIGGER. We would add pair or two new sets of Shokaku-Class instead of the BB construction. Not sure... Could also allow more conversions from APs into CVEs? Got ideas but WANT some suggestions from the Forum.

You are listing what the IJN receive but not the IJA nor the Allies.

As far as the CVEs are concerned, one xAP at the start of the game should be a conversion and not a new build. That ship also has a sister which could also be converted. The three CVEs which are in production are actually conversions of transports. There could also be more LBA for the IJN as well as the IJA.

I don't know if your mods also build the IJA submarine cargo vessels but those could easily be done away with. Regular submarines could do the same job but also carry torpedoes. You could also make the submarines cheaper to build which they should be cheaper than good destroyers.

[John 3rd]

OK. Got some time to start working Between the Storms--Moderate. Need a new title.

This is the middle ground/balanced Mod.
--The FLEET Faction gets the heavy Mod with the 4 Yamato's, the 6 Light BC's, and and heavier CLs.
--The Moderate Mod dials back the BBs to 4 Owari-Class and 2 B-65 BC with the addition of 6 Niitaka-Class CA, and the 'normal' CLs.
--The TREATY Faction variant is not designed YET but we are talking about only adding B-65 BC, more CA, and the 'regular' CL OR, perhaps, an AA CL like the Moon-Class DD but BIGGER. We would add pair or two new sets of Shokaku-Class instead of the BB construction. Not sure... Could also allow more conversions from APs into CVEs? Got ideas but WANT some suggestions from the Forum.

You are listing what the IJN receive but not the IJA nor the Allies.

As far as the CVEs are concerned, one xAP at the start of the game should be a conversion and not a new built. That ship also has a sister which could also be converted. The three CVEs which are in production are actually conversions of transports. There could also be more LBA for the IJN as well as the IJA.

I don't know f you mods also build the IJA submarine cargo vessels but those could easily be done away with. Regular submarines could do the same job but also carry torpedoes. You could also make the submarines cheaper to build which they should be cheaper than good destroyers.

Agreed on killing off the Sub Transports.

The AP-to-CVE conversions are actually in the Mod. You have to PROTECT them and then convert them.

[John 3rd]

Need a REAL name for the middle Mod...ideas??? Suggestions???

Between the Storms--Moderate
Between the Storms--The Middle Road
Between the Storms--The Middle Sea

[1EyedJacks]

Need a REAL name for the middle Mod...ideas??? Suggestions???

Between the Storms--Moderate
Between the Storms--The Middle Road
Between the Storms--The Middle Sea

--- Flatliner
--- Gust Front (which is that heavy wind that precedes a storm)
--- Limbo (That place between heaven and hell)
--- Fair Winds and Following seas
--- Big Guns and Flattops
--- All Good Things in Moderation
--- Monsters at the Midway (I'ma Bears fan so I like this one best - lol)
--- A time of Balance
--- A Yin and Yang in Time
--- A Duel of Philosophies
--- The Sweet Spot
--- A Balance of Power

[ny59giants]

Between The Storms - "Realistic Compromises"

[RangerJoe]

Between The Storms - "Realistic Compromises"

Between The Storms - "Still a Big Stick" or just "Big Stick!"

[1EyedJacks]

Between The Storms - "Realistic Compromises"

Yamamato's Compromise

Isoroku's Compromise

Hey Michael - who will the Giants draft at #6? Wanna trade up with da Bears to #1?