GW Counterfactual Take 3.

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Re: GW Counterfactual Take 3.

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Turn 22. End of Turn. Stay at Sea (SAS). Cape St. Vincent & Western Med.

• Germany & Italy wanted to leave 1 U-boat/Sub Gp in both Cape St. Vincent & West Med at sea to interdict (i.e., attempt intercept) any allied sea lift "returning to base" to Italy.
• However; the axis realized that they made a tactical mistake in the West Med during their last impulse using the German U-boat in the 3-box to search, leaving only organized subs in the 2-box.
• SCS/Subs that stay at sea move down 1-box and only the ones that are organized may attempt intercept.
• Subs left in the West Med would then be in the 1-box, which have no chance to successful intercept during storm.
• Therefore, the axis have no chance to intercept anything returning to base through the West.
• Tactical mistake by not searching the last axis impulse with a Sub Gp in the 2-box, leaving the German U-boat in 3-box organized, which would have moved down to the 2-box and a chance (10%) to intercept.
• In the CSV, that axis can leave either, or both, the organized Italian & German Sub/U-boat at sea in the 3-box, which would move down to the 2-box and have a 10% chance to intercept.
• While, 10% isn't great, the question is if the allies are willing to risk a loaded transport/amph group which if intercept would be by the axis rolling a 1, potentially leading to a good search split for the axis and damage or even loss of the loaded transport/amph.
• A less serious tactical mistake, I guess, is that the axis also searched last impulse with a Sub Gp in the higher 4-box vs 3.
• If they instead had searched with one in the 3-box, leaving the Italian Sub Gp in the 4-box organized then this Sub Gp could have stayed at sea moving down to the 3-box and would have had a 20% vs 10% chance of intercept any allied sea lift moving through the CSV.
• So, the axis will leave the Italian 2-6-6 Sub Gp at sea and return all other Sub Gps and U-boat flotillas.
• It’s estimated the allies will not risk returning loaded sea lift through the CSV.
• Now nothing can be done about the Amph Gp w/US Mtn corps in the CSV, which will likely return through the West Med directly to (reinforce) the allies in Italy.
• However; it’s estimated that the 2 loaded USN TRS Gps off the East Coast will “return to base”, really should be called “advance to forward base” to Saint Louis, Mauritania and Dakar, Senegal.
• Germany and Italy just realized that all the above logic is FLAWED, but only after making their return to base decisions!
• You only need an organized unit to initiate search, the chance of intercept is based on the unit in the highest sea-box whether organized or not.
• So, the axis in the West Med could have left one organized sub in the 2-box and the flipped U-boat in the 3-box, which move down to 1 and 2-box, respectively and would have given the axis a 10% chance of intercepting any sea lift moving through the West Med.
• But they didn’t. They only left an Italian Sub Gp in the CSV at sea.
• Now, let’s see how all this plays out during return to base, flawed axis logic and all!

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Turn 22. End of Turn. Allied CSV & Med Return to Base.

Combat Logs.
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Cape St. Vincent (No Intercept).
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Turn 22. End of Turn. Allied CSV & Med Return to Base.

Cape St. Vincent. Intercept & Naval Battle (1/2).
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Turn 22. End of Turn. Allied CSV & Med Return to Base.

Cape St. Vincent. Intercept & Naval Battle (2/2).
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Turn 22. End of Turn. MTO. Post RTB & Pre Use Oil.

Flawed Germany & Italian stay at sea logic led to significant reinforcements, including allied invasion amph Gps, making it into theater and to Italy.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. PTO. End of Turn. Return To Base. Japan.

(1) Because of the overrun threat from the CCP partisan adjacent to Canton if the allies move first next turn, IJN return to either Singapore or Fukuoka.
(2) The 2 IJN TRS Gps, which is all the sea lift Japan currently has left on the board, had to return to Singapore from the 3-box of the South China Sea.
(3) Normally they would have returned to Canton along with a most of the IJN warships that return this turn.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. End of Turn. Use Oil.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. BP Report, Destroyed, Repair.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. Liberation, Surrender, Factory Destruction.

Combat Logs.
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West Africa.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. Liberation, Surrender, Factory Destruction.

Surrender Demand. USSR.
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Surrender Demand. China.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. "Manual" Transfer of 8 Soviet Controlled Middle East Oil to the CW.

It took me less than 5 minutes to manually transfer (i.e., via game file editing) 8 Soviet saved oil in the Middle East to the CW. Much quicker and definitely much less frustrating than trying to force MWIF to do this the way I wanted.

Before Manual Transfer (i.e., editing) of 8 Soviet Saved Oil to CW.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. Economic and Build Report.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. Production (1/2).
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943.

Production (2/2).
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Construction Pool.
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Reserves
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. Warships Sunk (To-Date).
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. Scrapped (To-Date).

Germany.
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Italy.
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Japan.
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Vichy.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. Scrapped (To-Date).

CW.
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Free France.
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USA.
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China.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. Scrapped (To-Date).

USSR.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. Global Map.

Control.
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Units.
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Active Axis.
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Active Allied.
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Turn 22. Mar/Apr 1943. Victory Totals.
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