Confused

[Kiesel]

First off, this is really a fantastic game and I have not had so much fun with a strategy game in years. Keep up the good work guys !

But I am confused with the result of a scenario I played.
I finished 'Arnheim: Air Landing Assault' ('Favor Allies' option set) as Axis player. It appeared I had won the game according to the 'Lose-Win' meter and objectives list until after the game was over when I found out that I had lost.

After reloading the scenario as 'Allies' I noticed they get a lot more victory points for the same objectives, but all those are for completion.

Regardless, considering the objectives list I assumed I achieved at least a draw, if not a marginal victory.
The numbers shown on the screenshot AAR and objectives list seem to contradict each other.
Is there something wrong or do I not understand correctly ?
I appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks

[Arjuna]

Keisel,

The winmeter is supposed to tell you your victory level if the game were to end at that moment. It should include completion points. Do you have a saved game you could email to support[at]panthergames[dot]com? I'll ask Steve "Golf33" Long, our scenario designer to check it out and get back to you.

[Kiesel]

Dave,
thanks for the response.

I have analyzed the situation further. I noticed I had an autosave file from 30 minutes gametime before game finish.
What happened is this: I controled the Deny Rail Bridge through most of the game but at some point in day 2 I realized there is not enough time to get the reinforcements to that area and the occupying forces where too small to hold off the attack (which was stronger that expected). So I left them in defense until very late in the game when I decided to withdraw them entirely in order to limit losses.

What I didn't realize was that the Allies hadn't actually captured it at that point and didn't get their 50 points for it until I withdrew.

So I think these two points caused the confusion:
1) The objectives list shows me what I control, but obviously that does not mean that if I don't control it, it is necessarily controlled by the enemy.
2) The Allies get a different number of points. That being 50 (!!, in contrast to 17 for the Germans) for the Deny Rail Bridge means I have to keep them from capturing it at all costs. An earlier attempt in the game to blow the bridge had failed.

I assumed I could insure at least a draw by focusing on securing the Sth and Nth Road Bridges. If I was aware of the fact that losing this bridge would be a loss I would have commited more defenses much earlier in the game.
After closer inspection of the mission briefing I noticed that this is actually clearly stated. Maybe the addition of the enemies victory points to each objective (for informational purposes in the objective list) would help a bit and remind the player of the importance of each task.

Anyway, my bad. I've got to pack now as it appears I am being sent to some work camp. [:(]

[JeF]

ORIGINAL: Kiesel
Maybe the addition of the enemies victory points to each objective (for informational purposes in the objective list) would help a bit and remind the player of the importance of each task.

Please no ! One of the beauty of the current objective system is that the two players do not have the same objectives. And they do not know the objectives of the other side (may I risk ... "as in real life" ?). Except if they open the scenario for both sides, of course.

We, as players, know already too much with the winmeter (keep this marvelous thing !) and with objectives changing sides even though the opponent's units in the control circle are not seen yet (quite frustrating this one Dave, pls fix or do something).

Cheers,

JeF.

[Arjuna]

Kiesel,

Glad to hear it's not a bug. I also have it on good authority that they let you out of that work camp as soon as you volunteer to play another scenario. [;)]

[Arjuna]

JeF,

It's on the wish list mate.