Naval and Defense News

[thewood1]

"an intelligence center in Tel Aviv was hit and an intelligence gathering site was hit in the Golan Heights"

I'd like to see the sources on that. With reporters all over Tel Aviv and not a single report, pic, or video of it, I'm highly skeptical. Unless maybe that fire in Chile that Iran claimed was proof of hits in Tel Aviv is the source.

[Sanyr1310]

https://twitter.com/Schizointel/status/ ... 2946131094

170/170 or (100%) of OWA-UAV's intercepted.
113/120 or (94.1%) Ballistic Missiles (no specific number of interceptions given just that "some hit Nevatim Airbase resulting in minor damage" Currently, 7 missile impacts have been recorded in Israel.
30/30 or (100%) of Cruise Missiles intercepted.

If this is true, Israel's BMD systems are surprisingly effective.

"...according to the IDF."

Now there's an unbiased source.

I don't see the IDF allowing journalists on the targeted airbases to report on this stunning defensive victory though.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes, we cannot easily believe the claims of either side in the conflict. In fact, video shows Iranian ballistic missiles successfully breaking through a BMD battery that was engaging. This makes the Israeli claim somewhat dubious.

https://twitter.com/theinformant_x/stat ... 3696170099
(The third video)

[DeepTyphoon]

"an intelligence center in Tel Aviv was hit and an intelligence gathering site was hit in the Golan Heights"

I'd like to see the sources on that. With reporters all over Tel Aviv and not a single report, pic, or video of it, I'm highly skeptical. Unless maybe that fire in Chile that Iran claimed was proof of hits in Tel Aviv is the source.

The first casualty in war is the truth, right?

Both Iran and Israel have every reason to bend the truth. Iran will say the attack was a great success and Israel will say it was an abysmal failure. We won't know the facts until later. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Both sides are trying to establish a credible deterrence while not going so far as provoking catastrophe. A tricky tightrope to walk.

The source for the hits I gave come from various word of mouth places. Like this linked video. Not the word of God so take it with a grain of salt.

Minute 1:13 to maybe minute five.
https://youtu.be/c4yqComK5kU?t=73

[Sanyr1310]

I suspect Iran spent a lot too. Israel and others can afford it more than Iran. Especially if BMs are running 40% failure.

The other interesting aspect is that several TV reporters stated that shortly before the BM attacks, their phone GPSs shifted their location from Tel Aviv to Beirut. One of the disadvantages of any country using a GPS capability they have no control over.

Will separate boosters, large pieces of debris and decoys be identified as BMs? If I remember correctly, Iranian officials claimed that they only used "a few dozen missiles" (a similar expression). A similar situation occurred in the monitoring data of China's ASBM test launch in 2020, when the US claimed that two out of four ASBMs failed and crashed, while China claimed that it only fired two and Internet photos subsequently showed the separated booster.

If nearly half of the 100 BMs failed, it would be too hard to believe for a country that obtains technology from China, Russia and North Korea and exports weapons to Russia.

[Sanyr1310]

https://twitter.com/Schizointel/status/ ... 2946131094

170/170 or (100%) of OWA-UAV's intercepted.
113/120 or (94.1%) Ballistic Missiles (no specific number of interceptions given just that "some hit Nevatim Airbase resulting in minor damage" Currently, 7 missile impacts have been recorded in Israel.
30/30 or (100%) of Cruise Missiles intercepted.

If this is true, Israel's BMD systems are surprisingly effective.

It is also important to note that the vast majority of targets in almost all videos do not exhibit a clear terminal maneuver trajectory (from high altitude to touching ground), and their speed is not fast. This makes them easy targets for Iron domes, David slings, and Arrow-2/3s. But even so, there are targets that break through the BMD systems that was engaging.

Advanced MaRVs or HGVs such as LRHW, DF-15B/16B/17/21D/26/27 generally have high G terminal maneuver capability. This can be verified by OSINT or academic sources.

There are indeed videos of Iran using at least one MaRV, which can be used for simple terminal maneuver, and successfully penetrating defences. However, I think this maneuver is for use only to improve hit accuracy and not for avoiding BMD interceptions.

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/stat ... 4710231071

[Nikel]

Whiteman AFB performing a “mass fly-off” of 12 B-2 bombers.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/485716527113319



Interesting times.

Israel attacked Iran tonight, somewhere with something

And a Tu-22M3 burning and falling, you do not see it every day.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/17 ... mp4?tag=12

[Mickeys91]

Current Israeli strike. using Air Launched "sparrow" missile family or the Rocks missile. Which dont seem to be in CMO at all. If possible in future will be added.


https://www.ft.com/content/56064051-e88 ... 6717c8c38b

[Nikel]

Thanks for the link. It may require subscription.

The pics and a critic may be viewed in the link below.

https://twitter.com/LFCNewsMedia/status ... wtr%5Etrue


There are a lot of Sparrows in the database, they are old. Apparently the name is not copyrighted

[Mickeys91]

Thanks for the link. It may require subscription.

The pics and a critic may be viewed in the link below.

https://twitter.com/LFCNewsMedia/status ... wtr%5Etrue


There are a lot of Sparrows in the database, they are old. Apparently the name is not copyrighted

Ah yes you're right about subscription it worked for me first time but asks for one after you exit. Yours works fine.

Also the Israeli sparrows? or the AIm-7s

[Nikel]

These are the sparrows in v504, old stuff. The new one is a modification of the old sparrow, or they just used the same name for a completely new missile?

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The other weapon you cited from the article, rocks, and also absent in the DB.


https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/upl ... /ROCKS.pdf


Oh, no. They just created the F-36 or the F-135

https://israelradar.com/israel-upgrades ... an-strike/


The supposed target.

https://twitter.com/CSBiggers/status/17 ... 4248435107

https://twitter.com/QuanticaScience/sta ... 8297400652

[KungPao]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparrow_( ... Sparrow%20(Hebrew%3A%20%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%A8%2C,Arrow%20anti%2Dballistic%20missile%20system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparrow_( ... %20system.

[Nikel]

Thanks.

The pdf from Rafael linked in the Hebrew wikipedia page.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120907100 ... 1/1171.pdf

[Mickeys91]

yes interesting weapons. Basic ballistic design but can be used deadly with Israeli and American Surveillance, guidance kit and a pretty nice warhead. Would be interesting to see how well Iranian defenses would hold up. Their best bet is the S-300's they have but very limited use.

But it seems after these new events in the past month Israel will be focusing on more Air to surface and Surface to Surface weapons in near future because It seems their stand off weapons are very limited other than their air fleet which has to come in very close. I'm sure Iran will also be purchasing more Russian/Chinese hardware soon as well. Looks like the regional arms race is getting hot.

[Nikel]

Maps by Ian Ellis and the ISW.

[Nikel]

Not exactly news.

But I think you cannot recreate this pic in CMO, can you?

[Nikel]

Graphics by RangerSidewinder.

Quiz, where may you send all those A-10C?

[DeepTyphoon]

Have tanks lost their luster? Soon relegated to museum pieces?

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[Amata]

Global Times is state-owned but not a governmental mouthpiece. They wrote a report about Z-20 mock-up on the destroyer helipad, signaling it’s naval variant is under development, netizens called that Z-20F:

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1156458.shtml
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/sta ... 0902667265

Global Times' report on the Z-20 mock-up's naval variant development highlights China's technological advancements, sparking speculation among netizens as "Z-20F."[https://pmkisanyojanastatus.com/]PM Kisan Status[/url]

[Sanyr1310]

Two things happened today:
1.China's supercarrier Fujian makes its first sea trials
2.Footage of China's H-6 bomber firing live rounds hypersonic missile KD/YJ-21 has been revealed for the first time
https://twitter.com/RickJoe_PLA/status/ ... 8958095452
https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/stat ... 5898006614

[AndrewNguyen1984]

Some sobering news. If one thought that the situation in the DLC Chains of War...this later article would make the situation presented in this particular DLC look like a walk in the park.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-mili ... rse-2024-5

And sadly even though I what one would call an aircraft carrier fanboy...even I think now it is time to discard carriers and switch to the submarines.


Take about irony of having to learn from the old Soviet Union Cold War Navy: