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Hi again all,
Thanks for the many great ideas. First let me appologize for my sloppy language in equating Nazi to German. I know many people think my reluctance to play the Germans is silly/misguided. I assure all I have nothing against the German people, and I surely did not mean to offend anyone.
Second I wanted to answer Will Bill's comment. He wrote:
"But aren't you saying in your post that you only want to play by e-mail? If so, you would not play a Mega-campaign anyway, would you? Or did I misread your statement?"
What I was suggesting Wild Bill is that when you guys make a MC, that two players who have bought the campaign be allowed to play the scenarios via email. This way you can have minimal impact on your design, and just "turn on" the two player option.
As I said I would be happy playing such scenarios as a "loyal German opponent" (there how's that:-), if whoever I was playing would be willing to play the Germans in the upcoming MC that had the "main player" as a non German.
My local wargaming group has such a campaign going right now. It is a "Race to Lenningrad" between the 1st Panzer and 8th Panzer. Everyone except me is divided into the two German sides, and we have a linked series of games in which the "non-phasing" Germans join me (the only permanent Russian), as "Russians for a day." Depending on how well the "phasing Germans" do that day they can advance a certain distance on the campaign map towards Lenningrad. The first group to get there wins. If I can keep both of them out of Lenningrad then the Russians prevail.
Our campaign sounds a lot like the MC, and when Ruxius suggested "let two people play the MC" it made sense to me. Minimal changes to how you do your games, and I really think more people would play if they could play a human opponent.
Well thanks again for all the good comments.
Cheers
Thanks for the many great ideas. First let me appologize for my sloppy language in equating Nazi to German. I know many people think my reluctance to play the Germans is silly/misguided. I assure all I have nothing against the German people, and I surely did not mean to offend anyone.
Second I wanted to answer Will Bill's comment. He wrote:
"But aren't you saying in your post that you only want to play by e-mail? If so, you would not play a Mega-campaign anyway, would you? Or did I misread your statement?"
What I was suggesting Wild Bill is that when you guys make a MC, that two players who have bought the campaign be allowed to play the scenarios via email. This way you can have minimal impact on your design, and just "turn on" the two player option.
As I said I would be happy playing such scenarios as a "loyal German opponent" (there how's that:-), if whoever I was playing would be willing to play the Germans in the upcoming MC that had the "main player" as a non German.
My local wargaming group has such a campaign going right now. It is a "Race to Lenningrad" between the 1st Panzer and 8th Panzer. Everyone except me is divided into the two German sides, and we have a linked series of games in which the "non-phasing" Germans join me (the only permanent Russian), as "Russians for a day." Depending on how well the "phasing Germans" do that day they can advance a certain distance on the campaign map towards Lenningrad. The first group to get there wins. If I can keep both of them out of Lenningrad then the Russians prevail.
Our campaign sounds a lot like the MC, and when Ruxius suggested "let two people play the MC" it made sense to me. Minimal changes to how you do your games, and I really think more people would play if they could play a human opponent.
Well thanks again for all the good comments.
Cheers
A one year experience through this forum showed to me that Matrix always pays attention to good ideas..maybe starting
from here we will finally have a two sided megacd maybe in Combat Leader..who can say ?
And Geoff I am glad you understand politics should be left out from SPWAW !
from here we will finally have a two sided megacd maybe in Combat Leader..who can say ?
And Geoff I am glad you understand politics should be left out from SPWAW !
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As I bough and looked 'Patton' on DVD, what
about campaign based loosely around the guy?
North Africa, Sicily, and from France to
Germany. Real MEGA campaign through lot
of tough(and costly) fighting on US side.
about campaign based loosely around the guy?
North Africa, Sicily, and from France to
Germany. Real MEGA campaign through lot
of tough(and costly) fighting on US side.
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I did a Patton series for Novastar some five+ years ago, Blood and Guts, Parst one and two (20 scenarios).
I've been looking for the time :rolleyes: to transfer these battles to SPWAW but not yet.
It would make a good Mega Campaign.
Thanks for stirring interest in this theme, Geoff. I think there are some good ideas that I hope we can indeed incorporate into CL. And who knows, maybe one day in this grand old lady known as SPWAW?
Thanks to all of you for putting forth your ideas..Wild Bill
I've been looking for the time :rolleyes: to transfer these battles to SPWAW but not yet.
It would make a good Mega Campaign.
Thanks for stirring interest in this theme, Geoff. I think there are some good ideas that I hope we can indeed incorporate into CL. And who knows, maybe one day in this grand old lady known as SPWAW?
Thanks to all of you for putting forth your ideas..Wild Bill
In Arduis Fidelis
Wild Bill Wilder
Independent Game Consultant
These were the twenty I did on that theme of Patton. We still might get it done
B&G Part One
1. THEIR FIRST FIGHT. Port Lyautey, Morocco. November 10, 1942. General Patton tells General Truscott, commander of the force landing at Port Lyautey, "Lucian, if you're going to kick the enemy in the ass, you're going to have to do the same to your own men to get the job done. That's what I want; get the job done!" Now troops of the 9th Division and part of a ranger battalion makes a 3 pronged attack on the Vichy airfield.
2. STIFF OPPOSITION. Near Oran, Algiers. November 8, 1942. In the landing area of the Central Task Force, the French have set up a strong point on a series of steep cliffs which overlook the beaches near Oran. Assigned to take the
position is the 3rd Battalion of the newly formed Ranger units. Elite, well trained soldiers comparable to the British commandos have drawn the short straw for taking a hard objective.
3. THINGS FALL APART. Sidi-bou-Zid. February 14, 1943. As the American army moved ahead into Tunisia, Patton was ordered to take the post of military commander in Morocco. The absence of Patton's military leadership was to be keenly felt. Erwin Rommel puts the new forces to the test. Units of the 10th and 21st Panzer strike out against the US 1st Armored and 1st infantry divisions at a place called Sidi-bou-Zid.
4. SOME STAYED AND FOUGHT. Near Sbeitla. February 15, 1942. Some ugly pictures have been painted of the first big battle between US and German forces. Not all tankers and foot soldiers routed in panic before the Afrika Korps. As units of the 2nd Armored division headed west in retreat, a small group of ad hoc tanks and infantry set up an ambush against the onrushing German armor and troops. Major Frank Duncan with tanks from Company B gleans volunteers from the troops moving through the pass and prepares a brutal surprise for Rommel's gang.
5. A FIGHTING SPIRIT. El Guettar, Tunisia. March 24, 1943. The bloody nose that the US forces suffered at Sidi-bou-Zid prompted General Eisenhower to find someone to imbue a new fighting spirit into the American soldiers. It was George Patton who accepted the offer and took charge of II Corps. He tells his men to "grabe the enemy by the nose and kick him in the ass." Now a new confrontation between a rifle company of the 18th Regiment reinforced with armor support and attacking Afrika Korps forces of the 192nd Panzer Grenadier Regiment is about to put that fighting spirit to the test of hot and cold steel.
6. A TOUGH FIGHT. Near Gela, Sicily. July 10, 1943. In command of the entire American 7th Army in the invasion of Sicily, Patton is determined to reach the goal of Messina first, even though ordered to only guard General Montgomery's
flank as the British head north. The American 1st Division drives through Gela, but meets strong Italian resistance from the 33rd Regiment of the Livorno Division. These are hard fighting Italians, and they determined to defend
their homeland at any cost.
7. NEAR NISCEMI, SICILY, JULY 10, 1943. The Allied landings on Sicily were the first step on the road to the European mainland. The airdrop of the 504th Regiment is a disaster. The skytroopers are scattered from their drop zones. Some are inadvertently dropped into the sea and drown in the darkness. Those who do get on land immediately set about stopping enemy reinforcements from getting to the beaches. A roadblock is set up on the Niscemi Highway, using two captured Italian antitank guns.
8. MAD AS HELL. Palma de Montechiaro. July 11,1943. Truscott's 3rd Division was the fartherest to the west of the landing area and moved out quickly along Highway 115. At a small village, white flags appear, but they are from the civilians. As GIs approach, the Italians open fire. Colonel Heintge, furious at what appears a betrayal of the truce flag, grabs some troops and charges into the city with demolition charges.
9. SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!. Near Agrigento, Sicily. July 16, 1943. After almost a week of being on the island of Sicily, the Allied advance seemed to grind to a halt. Montgomery and his Eighth Army were stuck, and the American II Corps was doing little better. Patton was almost apoplectic to get something going. Making a personal visit to Colonel Dammer of the 3rd Ranger Battalion, he gives him personal orders to get to Porto Empodocle and protect the flank of the 3rd
Division so it can get going.
10. THE END RUN. Brolo, Sicily. August 8, 1945. Fearful that the British will beat US troops to Messina, Patton creates an ad hoc landing group from the "Provisional" Corps including some infantry, small support weapons and a few pieces of armor. Landing craft are in short supply so only some 600 men are sent on a mission of arriving behind the German defenses and cutting them off. But now the question is: Who is cut off?
B&G Part Two
ALMOST, BUT NOT QUITE: Angers, France. August 7, 1944. Patton's newly formed Third Army has the task of exploiting the opening in the German front lines at St. Lo. The tanks and armored infantry roll south, west and then turn to the east. Hearing of an intact bridge at Angers, France, Patton himself grabs some troops and tanks of the 3rd Division and sends them rolling to take it. Their mission is to take that bridge.
ALL GUNS BLAZING: Vitry, France. September 4, 1944. The Third Army cannot be stopped by the Germans, or so it seems. At the town of Vitry, France, Colonel Clarke, CCB, 4th Armored charges boldly, with all tanks firing. The 88 Crews are stunned and leave their guns. The town and the bridge are theirs till elements of the 17th SS Panzer Division appear.
VICTORY IS NOT ALL SWEET: Bougere, France. September 12, 1944. Captain Oscar Holsum has the mission of stopping a German column advancing towards the 4th Armored. Two platoons are deployed north of the town and another on a nearby hill. To Holsum's surprise, German armor descends on the isolated platoon where they find themselves in peril.
THE BOSS IS WATCHING: Near Nancy, France. October 12, 1944. Old "Blood and Guts" was always visiting the front lines. On this occasion, he arrived in time to watch units of the 35th Infantry Division, supported by tanks, enter woods near Nancy to flush out hidden German troops.
“GOOD AS ANY SOLDIER”: Berange Farm, France. November 12, 1944. During World War II, most black soldiers played a secondary role, either in maintenance or supply. As the war developed and manpower shortage became more acute, black men also took up arms to fight. A new unit to Patton's 3rd Army, the 761st Tank Battalion, was made up primarily of African-American tankers. They performed heroically with heavy losses during the battle at Berange Farm, in support of the 328th Regiment.
BRIDGES BURNED: Pettite Hettange Highway, Moselle River. November 12, 1944. A vital part of the November offensive of Patton's 3rd Army was the crossing of the Moselle River. Using rubber boats and a few amphibious vehicles that Patton had scrounged, the 359th Regiment got across. A pontoon bridge built by US engineers was hit by artillery fire. Less than a platoon of M-10s got across to back up the GIs under heavy attack.
AIRPOWER AND FIREPOWER: Near Saarlautern, Germany. December 8, 1944. Attempting to overcome stiff German resistance with strong airpower when weather permitted, General Patton orders an assault on Saarlautern a day early to take advantage of clear skies. Tanks of the 6th Armored are placed in the buffer zone where the bombs will fall to keep Germans from filtering into it during the intense bombardment.
HEADED NORTH: Chaumont, Belgium. December 23, 1944. As the German juggernaut fought its way through the Ardennes, Patton was prepared to react. Sending three full divisions north with little warning was a spectacular feat. The 4th Armored is trying to get to Bastogne to aid the besieged 101st Airborne Division. After taking Chaumont, CCB is suddenly hit hard by a very strong and determined German counterattack.
TAKING TRIER: Trier, Germany. March 2, 1945. Its the last lap of the race, and Patton's 3rd Army is still running hard. After cracking the Siegfried Line, Patton keeps the 10th Armored Division, even though requested to return it to SHAEF Reserve. He uses the tanks and armored infantry to crack open the German defenses at the key city of Trier.
YOUTH WITH NO FUTURE: Weidenbach, Germany. March 12, 1945. The convulsive death throes of the Third Reich produced immeasurable desperation among the German people, especially the youth. As Units of Patton's 3rd Army close in on Weidenbach, pitiful remnants of the once mighty panzers, along with suicidal young Germans, filled with desperate enthusiasm, ride out to meet the American invaders in a death fight.
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Wild Bill
B&G Part One
1. THEIR FIRST FIGHT. Port Lyautey, Morocco. November 10, 1942. General Patton tells General Truscott, commander of the force landing at Port Lyautey, "Lucian, if you're going to kick the enemy in the ass, you're going to have to do the same to your own men to get the job done. That's what I want; get the job done!" Now troops of the 9th Division and part of a ranger battalion makes a 3 pronged attack on the Vichy airfield.
2. STIFF OPPOSITION. Near Oran, Algiers. November 8, 1942. In the landing area of the Central Task Force, the French have set up a strong point on a series of steep cliffs which overlook the beaches near Oran. Assigned to take the
position is the 3rd Battalion of the newly formed Ranger units. Elite, well trained soldiers comparable to the British commandos have drawn the short straw for taking a hard objective.
3. THINGS FALL APART. Sidi-bou-Zid. February 14, 1943. As the American army moved ahead into Tunisia, Patton was ordered to take the post of military commander in Morocco. The absence of Patton's military leadership was to be keenly felt. Erwin Rommel puts the new forces to the test. Units of the 10th and 21st Panzer strike out against the US 1st Armored and 1st infantry divisions at a place called Sidi-bou-Zid.
4. SOME STAYED AND FOUGHT. Near Sbeitla. February 15, 1942. Some ugly pictures have been painted of the first big battle between US and German forces. Not all tankers and foot soldiers routed in panic before the Afrika Korps. As units of the 2nd Armored division headed west in retreat, a small group of ad hoc tanks and infantry set up an ambush against the onrushing German armor and troops. Major Frank Duncan with tanks from Company B gleans volunteers from the troops moving through the pass and prepares a brutal surprise for Rommel's gang.
5. A FIGHTING SPIRIT. El Guettar, Tunisia. March 24, 1943. The bloody nose that the US forces suffered at Sidi-bou-Zid prompted General Eisenhower to find someone to imbue a new fighting spirit into the American soldiers. It was George Patton who accepted the offer and took charge of II Corps. He tells his men to "grabe the enemy by the nose and kick him in the ass." Now a new confrontation between a rifle company of the 18th Regiment reinforced with armor support and attacking Afrika Korps forces of the 192nd Panzer Grenadier Regiment is about to put that fighting spirit to the test of hot and cold steel.
6. A TOUGH FIGHT. Near Gela, Sicily. July 10, 1943. In command of the entire American 7th Army in the invasion of Sicily, Patton is determined to reach the goal of Messina first, even though ordered to only guard General Montgomery's
flank as the British head north. The American 1st Division drives through Gela, but meets strong Italian resistance from the 33rd Regiment of the Livorno Division. These are hard fighting Italians, and they determined to defend
their homeland at any cost.
7. NEAR NISCEMI, SICILY, JULY 10, 1943. The Allied landings on Sicily were the first step on the road to the European mainland. The airdrop of the 504th Regiment is a disaster. The skytroopers are scattered from their drop zones. Some are inadvertently dropped into the sea and drown in the darkness. Those who do get on land immediately set about stopping enemy reinforcements from getting to the beaches. A roadblock is set up on the Niscemi Highway, using two captured Italian antitank guns.
8. MAD AS HELL. Palma de Montechiaro. July 11,1943. Truscott's 3rd Division was the fartherest to the west of the landing area and moved out quickly along Highway 115. At a small village, white flags appear, but they are from the civilians. As GIs approach, the Italians open fire. Colonel Heintge, furious at what appears a betrayal of the truce flag, grabs some troops and charges into the city with demolition charges.
9. SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!. Near Agrigento, Sicily. July 16, 1943. After almost a week of being on the island of Sicily, the Allied advance seemed to grind to a halt. Montgomery and his Eighth Army were stuck, and the American II Corps was doing little better. Patton was almost apoplectic to get something going. Making a personal visit to Colonel Dammer of the 3rd Ranger Battalion, he gives him personal orders to get to Porto Empodocle and protect the flank of the 3rd
Division so it can get going.
10. THE END RUN. Brolo, Sicily. August 8, 1945. Fearful that the British will beat US troops to Messina, Patton creates an ad hoc landing group from the "Provisional" Corps including some infantry, small support weapons and a few pieces of armor. Landing craft are in short supply so only some 600 men are sent on a mission of arriving behind the German defenses and cutting them off. But now the question is: Who is cut off?
B&G Part Two
ALMOST, BUT NOT QUITE: Angers, France. August 7, 1944. Patton's newly formed Third Army has the task of exploiting the opening in the German front lines at St. Lo. The tanks and armored infantry roll south, west and then turn to the east. Hearing of an intact bridge at Angers, France, Patton himself grabs some troops and tanks of the 3rd Division and sends them rolling to take it. Their mission is to take that bridge.
ALL GUNS BLAZING: Vitry, France. September 4, 1944. The Third Army cannot be stopped by the Germans, or so it seems. At the town of Vitry, France, Colonel Clarke, CCB, 4th Armored charges boldly, with all tanks firing. The 88 Crews are stunned and leave their guns. The town and the bridge are theirs till elements of the 17th SS Panzer Division appear.
VICTORY IS NOT ALL SWEET: Bougere, France. September 12, 1944. Captain Oscar Holsum has the mission of stopping a German column advancing towards the 4th Armored. Two platoons are deployed north of the town and another on a nearby hill. To Holsum's surprise, German armor descends on the isolated platoon where they find themselves in peril.
THE BOSS IS WATCHING: Near Nancy, France. October 12, 1944. Old "Blood and Guts" was always visiting the front lines. On this occasion, he arrived in time to watch units of the 35th Infantry Division, supported by tanks, enter woods near Nancy to flush out hidden German troops.
“GOOD AS ANY SOLDIER”: Berange Farm, France. November 12, 1944. During World War II, most black soldiers played a secondary role, either in maintenance or supply. As the war developed and manpower shortage became more acute, black men also took up arms to fight. A new unit to Patton's 3rd Army, the 761st Tank Battalion, was made up primarily of African-American tankers. They performed heroically with heavy losses during the battle at Berange Farm, in support of the 328th Regiment.
BRIDGES BURNED: Pettite Hettange Highway, Moselle River. November 12, 1944. A vital part of the November offensive of Patton's 3rd Army was the crossing of the Moselle River. Using rubber boats and a few amphibious vehicles that Patton had scrounged, the 359th Regiment got across. A pontoon bridge built by US engineers was hit by artillery fire. Less than a platoon of M-10s got across to back up the GIs under heavy attack.
AIRPOWER AND FIREPOWER: Near Saarlautern, Germany. December 8, 1944. Attempting to overcome stiff German resistance with strong airpower when weather permitted, General Patton orders an assault on Saarlautern a day early to take advantage of clear skies. Tanks of the 6th Armored are placed in the buffer zone where the bombs will fall to keep Germans from filtering into it during the intense bombardment.
HEADED NORTH: Chaumont, Belgium. December 23, 1944. As the German juggernaut fought its way through the Ardennes, Patton was prepared to react. Sending three full divisions north with little warning was a spectacular feat. The 4th Armored is trying to get to Bastogne to aid the besieged 101st Airborne Division. After taking Chaumont, CCB is suddenly hit hard by a very strong and determined German counterattack.
TAKING TRIER: Trier, Germany. March 2, 1945. Its the last lap of the race, and Patton's 3rd Army is still running hard. After cracking the Siegfried Line, Patton keeps the 10th Armored Division, even though requested to return it to SHAEF Reserve. He uses the tanks and armored infantry to crack open the German defenses at the key city of Trier.
YOUTH WITH NO FUTURE: Weidenbach, Germany. March 12, 1945. The convulsive death throes of the Third Reich produced immeasurable desperation among the German people, especially the youth. As Units of Patton's 3rd Army close in on Weidenbach, pitiful remnants of the once mighty panzers, along with suicidal young Germans, filled with desperate enthusiasm, ride out to meet the American invaders in a death fight.
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Wild Bill
In Arduis Fidelis
Wild Bill Wilder
Independent Game Consultant
Ruxius, when I used the term silly I was referring to me, not to you.
Your reasons for having such preferences may be very valid. Mine came from childhood habits.
Coming from a country that did not participate in the conflict on any side, it is also easier for me to do that.
I hope I have not caused you offence.
Your reasons for having such preferences may be very valid. Mine came from childhood habits.
Coming from a country that did not participate in the conflict on any side, it is also easier for me to do that.
I hope I have not caused you offence.
Fabs
Wid Bill, I well remember the fun I had playing those Novastar scenarios, and the other excellent ones that you and the other designers created.
It would be great to have them updated to be replayed taking advantage of the far greater capabilities of SPWAW.
Are the prospects of a Megacampaign featuring British Imperial forces limited by the number of SPWAW enthusiasts who would be interested in it? I don't have the slightest feel for this.
What about a Megacampaign located in Italy and played from the Allied perspective?
It would be great to have them updated to be replayed taking advantage of the far greater capabilities of SPWAW.
Are the prospects of a Megacampaign featuring British Imperial forces limited by the number of SPWAW enthusiasts who would be interested in it? I don't have the slightest feel for this.
What about a Megacampaign located in Italy and played from the Allied perspective?
Fabs
To Fabs : No offense at all my friend !
I had to go back and read the previous page to understand where I could have been hit by you..at least I found the phrase
but I didn't consider that an offense..
your posts here hadn't any negative mood..
on the contrary I underlined that also your post showed that everyone has the holy right to enjoy SPWAW choosing a side with passion...
As a comparison think to a sport competition..while sport itself is the target of common fun no one can deny there is always a team for which your heart start running!
Let me say this is very.."LEGAL"
(oh my poor english !)
The same attitude can be found in SPWAW..
IMHO playing SPWAW without a passion makes you loose a lot of fun..
This may be considered one level upper to the common taste for military strategy itself..
SO welcome to passion..!!!
and the inevitably sorrow for living a megaC as a prisoner of the enemy's high command
...
I had to go back and read the previous page to understand where I could have been hit by you..at least I found the phrase
but I didn't consider that an offense..
your posts here hadn't any negative mood..
on the contrary I underlined that also your post showed that everyone has the holy right to enjoy SPWAW choosing a side with passion...
As a comparison think to a sport competition..while sport itself is the target of common fun no one can deny there is always a team for which your heart start running!
Let me say this is very.."LEGAL"
(oh my poor english !)
The same attitude can be found in SPWAW..
IMHO playing SPWAW without a passion makes you loose a lot of fun..
This may be considered one level upper to the common taste for military strategy itself..
SO welcome to passion..!!!
and the inevitably sorrow for living a megaC as a prisoner of the enemy's high command
... Italian Soldier,German Discipline!
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Hi again all,
Personally I would be really interested in a Second Karkhov Mega Campaign. SPI did a really great board game on this, and I think it would make a good MC (From the Russian side of course:-).
The other eastern front campagin that I think would be interesting is the Soviet Airborne assualt in the Vyaz'ma region in early 1942.
Best regards,
mgm
Personally I would be really interested in a Second Karkhov Mega Campaign. SPI did a really great board game on this, and I think it would make a good MC (From the Russian side of course:-).
The other eastern front campagin that I think would be interesting is the Soviet Airborne assualt in the Vyaz'ma region in early 1942.
Best regards,
mgm
My personale taste is for campaign linked to a single historical unit like
1 marine division (Guadalcanal- Cape Gloucester-Peleliu-Okinawa may be a what if in Japan and Korea)
Big red one (Africa, Sicily, Normandy, ETO)
7th armoured (Africa, Italy, Normandy, ETO)
Grossdeutschland (Poland, France, Russia)
LSHH or DasReich(everywhere!)
so on
Massimo
1 marine division (Guadalcanal- Cape Gloucester-Peleliu-Okinawa may be a what if in Japan and Korea)
Big red one (Africa, Sicily, Normandy, ETO)
7th armoured (Africa, Italy, Normandy, ETO)
Grossdeutschland (Poland, France, Russia)
LSHH or DasReich(everywhere!)
so on
Massimo
Looking at how many preferences can be raised here I definitively vote for a solution which opens a MEGACD to more than one player...obviously the same feature about a reduced save game button should be kept !!! cheating must be fought at all costs !
The passive player should also be informed from a brief txt about what the AI was expected to do for that turn..
this is another of the very little prices to pay from designers for a MEGAC doubled...
Let me say now that a passive role is not so bad to be played :
first you know you have to try to break the active's player campaign...maybe one of your best SPWAW's friend !
your bravery will lower his final score !!!
Depending on how it's actually structured the save game faeture that score would also represent a serious and official rating to his general skill level
(I love this kind of public credit !)
And on the other hand again we have a new role to be played from a human SPWAW's gamer...another to be enjoyed from the several offered by SPWAW !
This time you will play a battle where units and deployments has been already decided..like playing a two player's scenario...
Your only task , the minimum , is to bring them to victory...your commander's skill now must be prooved in the best difficult situation..where you suffer all that constraints !
The difference is that if the passive player is always the same for that MEGACD each battle will decide the progress of the
next ones for him!!!
I think a lot of people will happily play also a passive role...
Bye
[ July 29, 2001: Message edited by: ruxius ]
The passive player should also be informed from a brief txt about what the AI was expected to do for that turn..
this is another of the very little prices to pay from designers for a MEGAC doubled...
Let me say now that a passive role is not so bad to be played :
first you know you have to try to break the active's player campaign...maybe one of your best SPWAW's friend !
your bravery will lower his final score !!!
Depending on how it's actually structured the save game faeture that score would also represent a serious and official rating to his general skill level
(I love this kind of public credit !)
And on the other hand again we have a new role to be played from a human SPWAW's gamer...another to be enjoyed from the several offered by SPWAW !
This time you will play a battle where units and deployments has been already decided..like playing a two player's scenario...
Your only task , the minimum , is to bring them to victory...your commander's skill now must be prooved in the best difficult situation..where you suffer all that constraints !
The difference is that if the passive player is always the same for that MEGACD each battle will decide the progress of the
next ones for him!!!
I think a lot of people will happily play also a passive role...
Bye
[ July 29, 2001: Message edited by: ruxius ]
Italian Soldier,German Discipline!
Originally posted by Wild Bill:
Interesting post, Geoff!
We considered that fact when designing the first two Mega-Campaigns.
The next one (if there is one) will be completely different and the Germans will not be the human player side.
I say "Germans" because I don't think "Nazis" is the best term to use. To my understanding, Rommel was a German general but not a Nazi.
Historians will correct me. Being a "Nazi" means being a part of a political party. I am thinking more in terms, at least with MCNA, of German soldiers at war for their country, many of whom were not Nazis.
I'm probably nit-picking here but it bothers me for some reason.
I understand your desire for a different nation as your force. We are working on that.
But aren't you saying in your post that you only want to play by e-mail? If so, you would not play a Mega-campaign anyway, would you? Or did I misread your statement?
Wild Bill
Bill,
While I agree with that Rommel may not have been a Nazi (although some historians would argue that he was), it is certainly true that until 1944 at least, he was not to worried about the atrocities being committed by the Nazis.
I imagine there are a number of players of SPWAW who have a problem playing the Germans because og the 'baggage' that goes with the playing that side. I am one of those. I prefer to play from the western allies perpective, mainly the British but that is only because I am a Brit.
I have no objection to those who are happy to play the game from the German side, but I would like to see a MC played from the British or US side.
To MAtt : Uff....oh no !
Why people can't play SPWAW without politics ? ..I do not say anything against the fact ot have a favourite side...but here we are arguing about a political question !
Then I can reply to you that playing a game WHERE YOU KILL human beings is not so ethical correct... !!
KILLING A HUMAN BEING..
each time you fire you are representing a simulation of something that means a man be heavily wounded by fire...he dies , he looses his relatives ecc.ecc.
WE are talking about killing a Human being !
THat's to say : let's try not to take this game too seriously please !
To be honest with your soul you should refuse at all any wargame !
I am sorry to tell you this Matt ,and I don't want this topic to became (as usually
happens when we touch this subject)a question of ideology..
WB only asked Geoff to be apolitic in his post..and he at once agreed with him..please don't open a new questioning here...
and do not be angry for my post..
By the way..what do you think about opening the MEgacd to Human player to double the playability of it ?
Regards Ruxius !
Why people can't play SPWAW without politics ? ..I do not say anything against the fact ot have a favourite side...but here we are arguing about a political question !
Then I can reply to you that playing a game WHERE YOU KILL human beings is not so ethical correct... !!
KILLING A HUMAN BEING..
each time you fire you are representing a simulation of something that means a man be heavily wounded by fire...he dies , he looses his relatives ecc.ecc.
WE are talking about killing a Human being !
THat's to say : let's try not to take this game too seriously please !
To be honest with your soul you should refuse at all any wargame !
I am sorry to tell you this Matt ,and I don't want this topic to became (as usually
happens when we touch this subject)a question of ideology..
WB only asked Geoff to be apolitic in his post..and he at once agreed with him..please don't open a new questioning here...
and do not be angry for my post..
By the way..what do you think about opening the MEgacd to Human player to double the playability of it ?
Regards Ruxius !
Italian Soldier,German Discipline!
Firstly, is it possible to play a wargame that models a historical event without any political element to it ? Not sure myself that it is.Originally posted by ruxius:
To MAtt : Uff....oh no !
Why people can't play SPWAW without politics ? ..I do not say anything against the fact ot have a favourite side...but here we are arguing about a political question !
Then I can reply to you that playing a game WHERE YOU KILL human beings is not so ethical correct... !!
KILLING A HUMAN BEING..
each time you fire you are representing a simulation of something that means a man be heavily wounded by fire...he dies , he looses his relatives ecc.ecc.
WE are talking about killing a Human being !
THat's to say : let's try not to take this game too seriously please !
To be honest with your soul you should refuse at all any wargame !
I am sorry to tell you this Matt ,and I don't want this topic to became (as usually
happens when we touch this subject)a question of ideology..
WB only asked Geoff to be apolitic in his post..and he at once agreed with him..please don't open a new questioning here...
and do not be angry for my post..
By the way..what do you think about opening the MEgacd to Human player to double the playability of it ?
Regards Ruxius !
The point of my post was point out that there are some people who are not happy playing the German side. The point about Rommel was just a passing comment on the historical debate concerning him.
I would like to see, like a number of other posters here, a MC of the CW in Normandy. I would be happy with one of the US in Normandy if I cannot have CW forces. A Pacific MC would not intrest me, since the Pacific is not my favourite area (mainly because I know least about it). An MC of Market Garden would be good as well.
I did want to cause offence with post and have not been offended by your post, all I was trying to do was explain why I would not buy a MC that plays the German side, and thought that maybe Matrix would like to know.