Element Upgrade variants - issues Manpower/Freight

[Wiedrock]

I've tried figuring out how different "ways" of upgrading/switching Ground Elements in a Division works, the idea was to find potential differences when it comes to EXP, but instead I found some weird behaviour in regards to "reinforcements" of Manpower and Freight which I can not explain.

Attached are:
All changed Elements which I wanted to change the different types of "exchange/upgrade" with so far.
The TOEs I've created/tested.
The reports of one unit (all behaved about the same). The Units were all loated 1-3 Hexes outside of Berlin on REFIT.

Is there a general "rule" a equipment change has to fullfill to not "bug" the system?
Or am I missing something else?

[Joel Billings]

I can't explain the men/freight listed in the supply details. Does this repeat from a save? If so, please attach the save and let us know what unit to watch. I'll mention this to Pavel but doubt he'll have any idea without a repeatable save. Thanks.

[Wiedrock]

Does this repeat from a save?

Yes it repeats.
I think it may partially be related to using "Outdated Squads" (Rifle Squad 40) in TOEs while the new "Rifle Squad 43" is already being around (but not requested in the TOE - since there it wants the old one).
I assume the Logistics Phase does several Upgrade-cycles (availability, eligbility ....et cetera) and rotates Squads in-and-out again and again - then those Squads may/seem to end up in the Transfer Pool (this may, if correct also be part of the issue/relate back to the issue which Stamb had with thousands of T-34s ending up in the Transfer Pools).

I have a Scenario Created with Different TOEs 3-Stack each all in one Army, so you can easily see the Manpower received in the CR report of the Army.

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I think the TOE 5th Wave is the easiest to look at for you. I have created two of those:

• 5th is 100x Rifle Squad 40 → 100x Rifle Squad 40 (outdated)
• "5v2th" is 100x Rifle Squad 40 → 100x Rifle Squad 43

The weird thing is that even the properly (as normal upgrades are usually set up) set up 5v2 makes 2000Men/250freight received several times in a row instead of 1000Men/125freight once.

If so, please attach the save and let us know what unit to watch. I'll mention this to Pavel but doubt he'll have any idea without a repeatable save. Thanks.

This is the Scenario, look at Berlin area - 5th Wave and 5v2th Wave should be teh easiest to look at:

GC41 - Equpiment Upgrades July 41.rar

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[Joel Billings]

Are you just advancing the turn on the scenario you provided? Is there anything that repeats on a specific turn for a specific unit, or are you just expecting that over the first x number of turns you'll see the extra manpower replacements in one or more of the 5v2 divisions? How many turns do I need to go through? Do you have a Soviet pre-log save before one of the Axis turns where it happens often or all the time?

[Wiedrock]

You just need to reach German T3 (July 1941). From then on the issue appears.

[Joel Billings]

Thanks, I saw the issue, and it seems the 5v2 divisions have a 50% chance of getting the double swap, so Pavel should be able to recreate it. Surprising as they are on demand build items, but does sound like the AFV issue.