Annexation of Xinjiang Province

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Jack59
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Annexation of Xinjiang Province

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I was playing the Japanese in Day of Infamy against the Allied AI. On the Axis June 29, 1945 turn USSR mobilization was at 46%. At the end of the turn there was a notice that the USSR was annexing Xinjiang Province. Then I was told that the USSR was mobilizing for war (99%). DE 812 should have given me the chose to accept of decline the annexation. I did not see one. Should I accepted the annexation I would have been guaranteed a Decisive Victory.

Could I have double clicked on the (DE 400) annexation notice and inventively declared war on the USSR? Could the AI chosen for me If I left the screen for dinner or something? Maybe DE 812 did not fire?

Anyway, I did obtain a Decisive Victory. Luckily, I could move my army's by train to slow and stop the USSR on-slot. It all came down to the allied last turn. I captured most of China. Getting to Xinjiang Province would have been unlikely to be reached due to the lack of supply-able cities on the road network to the Provence from northern China. My Burma front was being clobbered by the four non-soviet powers. One US attempt to capture the Dutch West Indies was defeated while a second was detected by a sub and then sunk by naval action before landing.
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Hi

DE 400 for the USSR to decide on annexing the province would not affect Soviet mobilization, though DE 812 (the Japanese response) does.

The AI will not have made the decision, as Decisions do not "time out" on the screen or anything like that.

So it will be that either it fired and you (accidentally) clicked on it to say yes to the decision, or something else was happening that increased Soviet mobilization so dramatically.
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Re: Annexation of Xinjiang Province

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I was using version v1.02.00. Funny China never surrendered to kick off DE 400 the capital moved to Urumqi a few turns before and mobilization was below 50% (48%). So how did DE 400 kick off? No plunder that indicated the surrender of China. China national morale increased with entry of USSR. Could Chinese moral dropped to zero between turns? The ability to reinforce armies continued in the game, though they has limited funds to do much. Before USSR mobilization was increased each turn 8-9% over three turns and then jumped 54% to 99%.

Another note: using sort cut key "L" and looking under National Morale No mention of key cities taken that effect Japanese Morale. Only some that involved plunder and European events are listed. These may be found in the graphs along with morale increases or decreases due to unit losses.
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DE 400 definitely requires China to be surrendered, and if it had then this would have been demonstrated in-game, i.e. with the removal of units and plunder.

In terms of the USSR's rapid mobilization, may you have declared war on Mongolia?

As this was under strong Soviet influence at the time, this would have had a major effect, and in-game this can mobilize the USSR from 40 to 75%.
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Mongolia entered the war after USSR. I tried to reproduce the events. This time DE 400 did not kick off. My next turn the USSR again jumped 53% to 99%. China is still alive and twitching. A couple of turns later Mongolia enters the war. This is what I would expect to happen, though the 53% jump seems excessive. Rules say a 18-30% jump after July 1st 1945. Oh well war is unpredictable...
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Yes, but this is odd as apart from an Axis declaration of war on Mongolia, or Japan saying yes to DE 812, there is nothing else that could increase Soviet mobilization so dramatically in one turn.
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I guess I was not clear; the Axis did not declare war on Mongolia. Mongolia entered the war as an Allied minor power a couple of turns after the USSR mobilization jump to 99%. Mongolia sent a recon unit to northern China, scary, but I has no Idea that was the only Mongolian unit built!

Just thinking Maybe the Allied AI invested in diplomatic chits to the USSR? When the USA morale was down to 15% It would have been a good strategy to get the Russians to activate early! Would the AI be that smart? I had Japan send chits to Tibet to try to prevent cut off units in China from being resupplied. Maybe the AI countered and got lucky?
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Nope. No diplomatist chits recorded by the Allies in the research/diplomacy charts... Only event by the Japanese.
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Jack59 wrote: Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:20 am I guess I was not clear; the Axis did not declare war on Mongolia. Mongolia entered the war as an Allied minor power a couple of turns after the USSR mobilization jump to 99%. Mongolia sent a recon unit to northern China, scary, but I has no Idea that was the only Mongolian unit built!

Just thinking Maybe the Allied AI invested in diplomatic chits to the USSR? When the USA morale was down to 15% It would have been a good strategy to get the Russians to activate early! Would the AI be that smart? I had Japan send chits to Tibet to try to prevent cut off units in China from being resupplied. Maybe the AI countered and got lucky?
You were clear, it's just that short of declarations of war on Mongolia or Tannu Tuva (which I omitted mentioning yesterday), there is nothing to explain this. There are no other scripts that could move the USSR towards war so quickly, so it's a real mystery.

I assume this is the 1941 Day of Infamy campaign you are playing?
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Yes , 1941 Day of Infamy. Beginning August 8, 1945 turn USSR is at war (just attacked the Japanese in the preceding Allied turn) and Mongolia jumps from 20% to 82% mobilization. The next Axis turn (Aug 28) Mongolia is at war. On 4-30-1945 Jap morale falls due to Germany surrender.

Tell me about Tannu Tuva, I find no mention of this country in the guide. Looks like it part of the USSR, now Before April 1945 at least.
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Tannu Tuva was a Soviet satellite state, just to the north west of Mongolia. It is mentioned on page 16 of the Strategy Guide.

Yes, Mongolia will follow the USSR in mobilizing as it is another satellite state. Enjoy the challenge! :o
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Re: Annexation of Xinjiang Province

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Thanks! Didn't know there was an update the Strategy Guide too. I was going by a printout of the original guide.
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