Why no interception?

[dr.hal]

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Max range for CAP is 3.
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Chris, what is your source for this as I've never seen this limit before. Thanks.

[Panjack]

"CAP may react to defend a target as far as 2 hexes away" says the manual (7.4.1). But perhaps this was changed in the game at some point.

[Moltrey]

At the risk of irritating the vets here panzer51, I will pull out my well-worn nugget of WITP:AE wisdom:
Try your damnedest to "Embrace the Suck".
In other words, the game will not let you micromanage outcomes, so it tends to piss off folks new to the sim who come from other games where that is more the norm.
You will set units up, give them orders with alternate targets at times, but after you press GO, the local commanders take over along with input from weather and all the other factors.

Does it kind of stink? Yeah, I suppose. But try to put yourself in the senior commander's shoes and appreciate you can only sit back and wait. The elders were right, no plan survives contact with the enemy.
Another thought, would all of us still be here if it wasn't a great experience at the end of the day?
The payoff is long and the persistence and perseverance level is high.


"Welcome stranger, the paths are treacherous today." - from an old book of mine

[RangerJoe]

At the risk of irritating the vets here panzer51, I will pull out my well-worn nugget of WITP:AE wisdom:
Try your damnedest to "Embrace the Suck".
In other words, the game will not let you micromanage outcomes, so it tends to piss off folks new to the sim who come from other games where that is more the norm.
You will set units up, give them orders with alternate targets at times, but after you press GO, the local commanders take over along with input from weather and all the other factors.

Does it kind of stink? Yeah, I suppose. But try to put yourself in the senior commander's shoes and appreciate you can only sit back and wait. The elders were right, no plan survives contact with the enemy.
Another thought, would all of us still be here if it wasn't a great experience at the end of the day?
The payoff is long and the persistence and perseverance level is high.


"Welcome stranger, the paths are treacherous today." - from an old book of mine

I have seen some people post this time of meme elsewhere, I presume that they are veterans, so is this what you mean?

[panzer51]

Well, the game is really poor at communicating the reasons.

In this case, Ryujo squadrons were set 10%CAP, 60% LRCAP over the TF, and 20%rest. So, I would say the majority should've been over the TF. So interception should've happened.

[Chris21wen]

Max range for CAP is 3.
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Chris, what is your source for this as I've never seen this limit before. Thanks.
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Here back in 2022
https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... P#p5032961

Also this from a recent combat report extract. The fighters (Tojo and Zero) are based in Rabaul and set to CAP range 3 and 9 with no target, The FF are also in Rabaul set to LRCAP 7 with Kavieng as a target and they will also engage over Rabaul or anything else within 3 hexes.

[Chris21wen]

Well, the game is really poor at communicating the reasons.

In this case, Ryujo squadrons were set 10%CAP, 60% LRCAP over the TF, and 20%rest. So, I would say the majority should've been over the TF. So interception should've happened.

No it shouldn't. You need to put some numbers to your setting.

Assuming you have 30 fighters on the CVL, close to the max number of aircraft for the CVL. Using your settings for CAP, LRCAP, REST, idle results in there being 3,18,6,3 aircraft available for each. Actually flying you get 1 cap and 6 lrcap the remainder, apart from those at rest (6) are available to scramble if they have time.

Those flying CAP will protect anything within their range (max 3) of their target, which is usually their own hex.

https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... p#p5075092

LRCAP requires a target overwise it behaves like CAP and will protect anything within 3 hex of it target. LRCAP usually has less number involved than CAP. See here
https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... p#p5094565

If you have CAP set to 3 hex range in has 37 hex to cover and with 1 a/c aloft.....

[Moltrey]

I have seen some people post this time of meme elsewhere, I presume that the are veterans, so is this what you mean?

RJ:
No, I only meant vets of the board and WITP.

[panzer51]

LRCAP requires a target overwise it behaves like CAP and will protect anything within 3 hex of it target. LRCAP usually has less number involved than CAP.

Ok, LRCAP is set over the TF, so TF is target, so majority of planes should be over the TF. I don't expect all 18 planes to be intercepting, but at least 1 should be.

[RangerJoe]

I have seen some people post this time of meme elsewhere, I presume that the are veterans, so is this what you mean?

RJ:
No, I only meant vets of the board and WITP.

Oh, I understand now.

[Chris21wen]

LRCAP requires a target overwise it behaves like CAP and will protect anything within 3 hex of it target. LRCAP usually has less number involved than CAP.

Ok, LRCAP is set over the TF, so TF is target, so majority of planes should be over the TF. I don't expect all 18 planes to be intercepting, but at least 1 should be.

There's no problem here just your expectations.

You say 18 a/c but is that group total or is 60% of the group total. If it's the later you've only got 11 or 12 a/c for LRCAP.

You have never said how far away the TF is. The further away it is the fewer a/c there will be over the target as time to target becomes important and the endurance of the a/c becomes really important.

Below is an extract form the Air War Guide on LRCAP. They all affect possible interception plus many more.

Notes:
• Maximum Range setting controls two things, target range and patrol radius. It is restricted to the max combat
range of the aircraft.
• Target range is the standard distance from base to target and can be anything between 0 - max range of the
ac. Selecting a target automatically sets max range to this distance if it’s currently less.
• Patrol radius is between 0-3 hexes from the target. Any range over 3 hexes is automatically limited to 3 hexes.
If you want a smaller patrol radius, hence patrol area, you need to adjust the max range after the target has
been selected. E.g. Set to 0 to protect just the target hex.
• The further the patrol area is from the unit’s base the less time the unit has over target and the few aircraft
over the target at one time. This appears to range between all to 1/3, with 1/3 being at the aircraft max
range! Aircraft endurance play a huge part in this.
• The further LRCAP has to fly to intercept the less likely it will.