The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)

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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)

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M60A3TTS wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 8:19 pm
FriedrichII wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 8:08 pm This blog is very interesting to read. I am looking forward to see how the war will proceed.

Could you please write which mods you are currently using?
Thanks in advance.
I use the PrettyTrees map mod and in the past had used the GeneralsMap mod. Both are in the mods sub-forum.
Thanks for the information. Your screenshots in this blog are looking fantastic. Do you use any counter mod, or are this stock counters?
Regarding the Generalsmap mod I am currently using it, because in one of the latest patches the road system and the file containing the road system and towns has been updated. Therefore if I first install the Generalsmap Mod and then run the latest patch the road map and the towns are correct, because of the new file from the patch. Sorry for the bad English, but I just wanted to know you my experience with the Generalsmap mod and the latest patches.
There are still some (very few) hexes with graphic bugs. Mainly at the coastline.
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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)

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FriedrichII wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 4:25 pm
M60A3TTS wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 8:19 pm
FriedrichII wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 8:08 pm This blog is very interesting to read. I am looking forward to see how the war will proceed.

Could you please write which mods you are currently using?
Thanks in advance.
I use the PrettyTrees map mod and in the past had used the GeneralsMap mod. Both are in the mods sub-forum.
Thanks for the information. Your screenshots in this blog are looking fantastic. Do you use any counter mod, or are this stock counters?
Regarding the Generalsmap mod I am currently using it, because in one of the latest patches the road system and the file containing the road system and towns has been updated. Therefore if I first install the Generalsmap Mod and then run the latest patch the road map and the towns are correct, because of the new file from the patch. Sorry for the bad English, but I just wanted to know you my experience with the Generalsmap mod and the latest patches.
There are still some (very few) hexes with graphic bugs. Mainly at the coastline.
I think these may be the stock counters, but I honestly can't be sure even after checking my download history from long ago. Sorry.
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M60A3TTS wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 7:06 pm I think these may be the stock counters, but I honestly can't be sure even after checking my download history from long ago. Sorry.
The HQs do not correspond to the stock counters
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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)

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Got it. Then it's probably Zov's Boardgame Counters, again found on the scenario design and modding sub-forum.
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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)

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56ajax wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 3:24 am Is there anyway to increase the experience of an Air Unit. For example, swapping out MIG fighters typically drops experience by 2 points, which never comes back.
German pilots typically can get experience shooting down Soviet aircraft. Soviet pilots have a tough time shooting down their opponents, so gains in air-to-air combat is somewhat one-sided.

In the Soviet reserve, you can often train a unit up to the NM level and some units can even exceed that by 1-5 points. 5 is somewhat rare but it can happen. In 1942 the Soviet Reserve isn’t all that useful as NM is only 45. In 1943, that NM increases to 50. Soviet guards fighter units get +5NM and so they are at 55. Again, in the SR these guards units can get their XP level up by 1-5 beyond the NM level. Still, even a unit at 60XP is going to have it’s share of mediocre pilots along with some duds. You can improve overall unit experience by filling empty pilot slots not with pilots from the trained pool, but with the free pool if you have some. As mentioned previously, disbanded air units send their pilots to the free pool which retains the individual pilot data as opposed to the trained pilot pool that erases it. The free pool sends out pilots in order of experience from high to low. The trained pool on the other hand sends out pilots with random experience levels.

Disbanding air units in order to re-distribute the pilots can be useful, but requires some thought into how many air units you are ultimately willing to disband as they are not replaced once they are gone. You also need to consider that disbanded units do have bad pilots sometimes and you will need to figure out where they are going to go, and just not let the AI disperse them randomly. Also note that if you disband a fighter unit, the pilots go into the free pool and if redistributed to a fighter bomber unit, they do not lose the 2XP.
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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)

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One newsworthy item left off the Week 103 report was that the Voronezh Front reported the death of 5th Guards Tank Army's commander Pavel Rotmistrov. His skill in tank warfare will be truly missed in future operations. Rotmistrov's replacement is a rather weak general, one Timofei Shapkin.

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M60A3TTS wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 5:04 am One newsworthy item left off the Week 103 report was that the Voronezh Front reported the death of 5th Guards Tank Army's commander Pavel Rotmistrov. His skill in tank warfare will be truly missed in future operations. Rotmistrov's replacement is a rather weak general, one Timofei Shapkin.

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That is a HUGE downgrade
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M60A3TTS wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 5:04 am One newsworthy item left off the Week 103 report was that the Voronezh Front reported the death of 5th Guards Tank Army's commander Pavel Rotmistrov. His skill in tank warfare will be truly missed in future operations. Rotmistrov's replacement is a rather weak general, one Timofei Shapkin.

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10 AP ! He should be free.
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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)

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zebrazwo wrote: Fri Aug 29, 2025 2:30 pm
M60A3TTS wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 5:04 am One newsworthy item left off the Week 103 report was that the Voronezh Front reported the death of 5th Guards Tank Army's commander Pavel Rotmistrov. His skill in tank warfare will be truly missed in future operations. Rotmistrov's replacement is a rather weak general, one Timofei Shapkin.

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10 AP ! He should be free.
IRL, by this time he was dead, KIA while in command of a cavalry corps.
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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)

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Week 106 27 June 1943

In the air, the recon arm of the Luftwaffe suffered punishing losses, especially over Tula.
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On the ground, counterattacks by German forces of General Hube’s LVII Panzer Corps in the Orel area push back three guards cavalry corps of Leonid Bobkin’s 4th Shock Army. The SS Das Reich Panzergrenadier Division and 16th Panzer Grenadier are in action here, assisted by III Panzer Corps 14th SS Ukrainian Grenadier Division as well as the 24th Panzer Division of XXXXVII Panzer Corps. The Das Reich is also engaged in a separate battle with 58th and 111th Infantry Divisions and routs both 7th Guards Cavalry Corps and 3rd Tank Corps from Pavel Belov’s 5th Shock Army. Finally, 3rd and 4th Panzer Divisions of X Corps and XXXXVII Panzer Corps force the retreat of 131st Guards Rifle Division, 8th Guards Cavalry Corps and 14th Tank Corps. In all, some 611 Soviet AFVs are lost compared to 113 German AFVs.

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In his report to the Stavka, General Konev reported that for the most part, his eight tank corps between 4th and 5th Shock Armies along with 5th Guards Tank Army were in reasonable shape with 985 AFVs remaining. These numbers indicate that there are sufficient tanks for continued operations, but most importantly, the cavalry corps of 4th and 5th Shock Armies are severely degraded. They will require 2-3 weeks before they are ready to return to action. Without a strong cavalry corps presence, successful operations in Orel are very much in doubt over the short term.

Battles in the Orel Sector

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Elsewhere Soviet forces advance, with a number of units arriving on the Dnepr. Casualties overall are quite heavy among the ground forces as German counterattacks take their toll.


Battles in the south
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Overall losses this week
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Onto the banks of the Dnepr!
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Week 107 4 July 1943

Across almost the entire front, a surprising week of rain turns much of the ground into a state of light mud. Ivan Konev in active discussions with both Generals Antonov and Shtmenko of the Stavka’s Operations Directorate reviewed the conditons existing in the Orel area. The German 6th Panzer Division had entered the field and the German's opportunistic counterattacks continued to extract significant Soviet losses. Nevertheless, Stalin’s orders remained in effect in that Orel must be taken within two weeks.

It was no small matter that both the Voronezh and Bryansk Fronts were being forced to provide a significant portion of their ground units to the defense, and spread out along a considerable distance. As a result, both fronts struggled to create the critical mass needed to drive the Germans away from Orel. Now, the Western Front was being called upon to provide assistance in the Orel area. With a third front now brought into the picture, command and control was becoming exceedingly complex and challenging.

By mid-week amidst a pair of German counterattacks, Konev decided to commit his cavalry corps yet again on the northern face of the Orel defensive positions. Pavel Batov’s 7th and 8th Guards Cavalry Corps would be supported in part by 14th Guards Tank Corps of Gerasimenko’s 4th Tank Army that had been released from the Stavka Reserve. Colonel-General Vasily Sokolovsky’s Western Front provided 53rd Rifle Corps, 10th Rifle Division from Nikolai Berzarin’s 66th Army along with 393rd Rifle Division of Sergei Biryuzov’s 8th Army to support the efforts of the Voronezh Front. Opposing them were the dug-in 3rd Panzer and 38th Infantry Divisions.

Given the fact that the Soviet forces were such an assorted grouping among multiple commands, the battle results were an almost forgone conclusion. The German defenders held, with almost 7,000 losses. The defender losses were a mere 420.

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It was under these circumstances that Konev requested that any further offensive action be called off. The reply from Moscow was not long in coming. Stalin remained obstinate, refusing to admit defeat. Konev must make yet another attempt.

With the week winding down, the commander of the Voronezh Front saw little prospect for success in anything other than a direct assault of Orel, to be led by Andrei Grechko’s 1st Guards Army and supported by whatever additional rifle corps could be made available. Defending Orel was Hans Gollnick’s 227th Infantry Division from III Panzer Corps and reinforced by the 6th Luftwaffe Field Division of XXXIV Corps. The Soviet attack would face the most difficult of fortifications within the city, and therefore assault engineers would be included in the operations along with over 650 M-30-4 heavy rocket launchers of Ivan Magagarov’s 6th Army.

Despite a numeric advantage of almost 8-1, the attacking force of 275,000 failed to drive out the defenders. Surprisingly, assaulting Soviet casualties were rather light with less than 3,000 lost to the Germans 1,000.

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Stalin was now at last convinced by Generals Antonov and Shtmenko that any further attacks in the Orel sector would be pointless. It would require anywhere from 4-6 weeks now to rebuild the many weakened rifle corps that had expended much of their energy and supplies in conducting what amounted now to a fruitless operation.

In the months that followed, no one would bring up the failed Orel operation in discussions with Stalin, and in turn he would choose to let the matter be closed and forgotten. Ivan Konev himself would later be asked if he had any regrets over the failed operation against Orel. Konev replied he had none at all. When asked why he had no regrets, the general replied laconically, “Because Moscow had ordered it”.
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Konev did his duty its all you can do, it could have been worse.

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M60A3TTS wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 4:41 am Given the fact that the Soviet forces were such an assorted grouping among multiple commands, the battle results were an almost forgone conclusion. The German defenders held, with almost 7,000 losses. The defender losses were a mere 420.
Afaik theres a special rule regarding Urban rtr losses.
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Week 107 continued

With the Orel Offensive called off, plans would need to be revised. Stavka anticipated that the Voronezh Front would reform in the Sumy sector in force and to the north of Marshal Zhukov’s Central Front. A move west to secure the major rail line extending from northeast to southwest through Bakhmach and Nezhin would be required in order to establish the logistical base for a subsequent push on Kiev.

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Although the plans in the Orel sector had been unable to achieve success, in the south it was something of a different matter. Here, Colonel General K.K. Rokossovsky’s Steppe Front and Marshal A.M. Vasilevsky’s North Caucasus Front had achieved a local breakthrough and were on the move towards the Crimea. Here 2nd Guards Army in addition to 3rd Shock Army of Southwestern Front had been transferred to the area in order to strengthen the advance. Caught up in the fighting, German General Robert Martinek commanding VII Corps was killed in action.

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I hope this AAR is continuting! Any updates?
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Week 108 11 July 1943

Two panzer corps arrive on the scene at Federovka east of the Dnepr to assist German VII Corps in breaking out.

VII Corps (von Kessel)
---88th ID
---170th ID
---257th ID

XXXX Panzer Corps (von Schweppenburg)
---Grossdeutschland Motorized Division
---Totenkopf SS Motorized Division
---11th Panzer Division
---17th Panzer Division
---5th Wallonian Mot Bde
---6th SS Flanders Mot Bde

XLVIII Panzer Corps (D. von Saucken)
---5th Panzer Division
---14th Panzer Division
---501 Heavy Panzer Bn.
---18th Motorized Division
---60th Motorized Division
---20th Panzergrenadier Division

Soviet losses among tanks is particularly heavy this week. Another 75,000 ground losses accompany these numbers.
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Air results are not as significant as the VVS is having to limit operations in order to rebuild the reserves of fighter aircraft.
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Week 109 18 July 1943

The advance towards the Desna River resumes with combined elements of Central and Voronezh Fronts. Konev’s corps from 4th and 5th Shock Armies have shifted from Orel to Kursk while continuing their refit.

Meanwhile a German counterattack when it happens is often a one-sided affair.

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In the south, the advance resumes towards the Crimea. One particular Soviet attack against a swamp hex finds the Totenkopf SS Division in stealth mode (unable to identify unit type) and pays a heavy price.

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The VVS is back in the skies and takes terrible losses once again. Next up, we will be taking a closer look to see whether now, in July 1943, the Soviet Air Force is in any better condition to compete with the Luftwaffe than it was in June of 1941.

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M60A3TTS wrote: Sun Sep 21, 2025 2:28 am Week 109 18 July 1943


In the south, the advance resumes towards the Crimea. One particular Soviet attack against a swamp hex finds the Totenkopf SS Division in stealth mode (unable to identify unit type) and pays a heavy price.

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Ouch!
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zebrazwo wrote: Mon Sep 22, 2025 8:54 pm
M60A3TTS wrote: Sun Sep 21, 2025 2:28 am Week 109 18 July 1943


In the south, the advance resumes towards the Crimea. One particular Soviet attack against a swamp hex finds the Totenkopf SS Division in stealth mode (unable to identify unit type) and pays a heavy price.

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Ouch!
Bah, that's nothing.....just had two attacks that lost 12,500 and 500 tanks as Soviets

The Road to Berlin is paved with the burned-out hulks of Soviet Tanks

M60: Just curious, why all the Mech Brigades attached to your Rifle Corps? Trying to farm them as Guards?
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Q-Ball wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 11:20 pm M60: Just curious, why all the Mech Brigades attached to your Rifle Corps? Trying to farm them as Guards?
Yes, although the execution was terrible. For future guards mech corps I should have farmed with motorized brigades back in early 1942 instead of waiting on mech brigades that don't arrive until later in the year.
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