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cbclimber · Post by **cbclimber** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:40 pm

Will there be a mechanism for intelligence so the American can pull off a Midway or a Yamamoto assasination? It is the one thing missing from UV. How about intel briefing screen. Any Pac strategy game must have this!

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:11 pm

There is intel about where stuff is but until you figure out how to plug your computer into your brain, it's going to be rather tough to figure out YOUR intentions [:D]

cbclimber · Post by **cbclimber** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:57 pm

Obviously your missing the point...as well as your best hockey players.

siRkid · Post by **siRkid** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:57 am

Something like this?

siRkid · Post by **siRkid** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:59 am

the text

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:34 am

ORIGINAL: cbclimber

Obviously your missing the point...as well as your best hockey players.

Them's fighting words! [:'(] [:D]

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:52 am

cbclimber,

Have a read of the thread listed below and it should answer some og your questions.

http://www.matrixgames.com/default.asp? ... om/forums/

bradfordkay · Post by **bradfordkay** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:00 am

Hey there Raver...To which thread were you trying to steer us? All we got was the general forum list.

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:44 am

The title of the thread is "Ultra/Magic intelligence & IJ radar questions" just cut and paste this into the forum search engine at the bottom right hand of your screen.

sven6345789 · Post by **sven6345789** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:10 pm

So you get three levels of intelligence
1. Radio transmissions
2. number of men/planes/ships
3. exact name of unit/ compositon of taskforce/ type of Taskforce/ squadron name
Allies probably increase reaching thei r first hight at the time of midway, going back down later until being on the rise again having broken the code around the middle of 1943.
Japanese probably stay low most of the time.

correct?

Brady · Post by **Brady** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:34 pm

"3. exact name of unit/ compositon of taskforce/ type of Taskforce/ squadron name
Allies probably increase reaching thei r first hight at the time of midway, going back down later until being on the rise again having broken the code around the middle of 1943.
Japanese probably stay low most of the time. "

For the Allied side that statement is grosely oversimplified, the Japanese used several different codes in each service, and for example the Allies Never actualy read any of the main Japanese Army code unitl about mid 44, and then after that it was spotty at times after that with mounts whear they couldent read it all after that. Their are more details of this posted in the thread Raverdave has pointed out above. IMO the Game is giving the allies to much info, howeaver making use of this info will be hard for I suspect most players.

siRkid · Post by **siRkid** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:37 pm

There is a lot of garbage information but one of the pearls goes something like this "The XXX Division is planning an attack on YYYY."

Damien Thorn · Post by **Damien Thorn** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:28 pm

ORIGINAL: Kid

the text

"Tokyo Bay Fortress is located at Tokyo." Now that's informative. [8|]

Rendova · Post by **Rendova** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:40 pm

I like the intercepts that say "Radio transmissions detected at San Fransico" Probably radio station 750 AM broadcasting the lastest Glenn Miller hit![;)]

byron13 · Post by **byron13** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:19 am

Do the "radio transmissions detected at hex xx, yy" tend to be land hexes, sea hexes, or both? If it detects fleets in sea hexes, that would be a nice bit of information! And, if fleets are included, do they generally refer to merchant fleets, or do they also catch combat fleets (that really should be observing radio silence)?

What intel DO the Japanese get?

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:38 am

Sometimes it can be very detailed, and at other times (mostly) it is somewhat vague. The intell that the allies get is good, but you are still going to have to work out what you you are seeing is in fact what is there. Intell is not a magic crystal ball....with a bit of work it can be very help full, but it is something that you really have to use in conjuntion with "other" intel such as the tried and true MkI eye ball from your search aircraft.

byron13 · Post by **byron13** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:45 am

Thanks. But is there a chance that a combat fleet's radio transmissions are triangulated? That could be extremely valuable intel if radio transmissions are heard from a part of the sea that only an invasion/combat fleet would be in. Nice early tipoff for invasions of places like Johnston, Tarawa, Aleutians, etc.

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:38 am

If indeed the transmissions are triangulated you will never know. The Intel that you get does not drill down that deep nor does it tell you how the intel was gathered. It simply states "radio tranmissions detected at hex XXXX", "IJA X division is planning an attack on Singapore" or "A TF has been detected at hex XXX" It is then upto you to try and sort the wheat from the chaff. Is that TF at hex XXX a battle fleet or is it simply a couple of AKs on a milk run?

At the end of the day it will be up to you to decide how good (or bad) the intel is that you are getting from day to day. To tell you the truth I have not really "mapped" all the intel reports that I have received to see if it gives a good over all picture of what is happening as I have been far too busy hunting down bugs and play testing. But what i have noted is that you get a lot of info that could be helpful if you charted it over the long haul. For example, you might get an intel report stating that IJA division X is located in Manila, then if a few months later you get an intel report stating that the same division is now
located at Rabal or even Buna, then it is a safe bet that the IJN player is looking to launch some type of offensive in the PNG area.

Note....the intel reports that both players get ARE NOT the card players version of looking over your opponents shoulder, mostly it is very mundane and seemingly boring stuff but for the odd diamond that appears now and again....it is YOUR job as over all CinC to look for those diamonds and THEN be able to exploit then !

Above all remember that whatever the intel report says, it is not written in stone. ( Sideline....I wonder if the IJN player could spoof the Allied intel by sending a small CV TF to an area as a feint? ). At the end of the day you will have to plan your tactics and strategies based on a number of different things of which intel is only one of them.

Ol_Dog · Post by **Ol_Dog** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:08 pm

No fleets are entirely silent. Even the Pearl Harbor attack fleet, supposedly silent, was traced East across the Pacific until it turned South on 3 Dec 1941. That is all done by triangultion. IIRC the U S had 6 major listening posts in the Pacific in WWII.

madflava13 · Post by **madflava13** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:51 pm

Kido Butai wasn't tracked across the Pacific at all, IIRC. KB was believed to be in "Home Waters" the entire time - US Intel lost track of the IJN CVs sometime in late November and weren't aware of their location again until the morning of the 7th when the first attack wave struck. I can get some sources to back that up sometime later today if anyone wants me too...

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