Allied China supply - December 1941

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Allied China supply - December 1941

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Scen001v5 vs Japanese AI.

Once HK falls, you are left with 140k supplies in China. Let's say combat/construction/replacements/undisablements eat all your supply production each turn so you constantly have 140k at hand.

Or do you?

When you check how you bases behave in December 1941, you will see that you have base that export their supplies and those who hog them

BASES THAT EXPORT SUPPLIES:
Changsha
After a few turns, Changsha will constantly have just the required x3 supplies. Everything beyond that gets exported to LCUs/other bases.

BASES THAT HOARD SUPPLIES:
(Hoarding means any supply beyond x3 supply required at a base)

Chungking
20,000 supplies hoarded there by the immobile China Command HQ.

Tsuyung (Burma Road terminus)
Gets +500 new supplies each turn and hoards between 3200-2000 surplus supplies each turn even if the base it totally EMPTY.

Wuchow (great supply-producing base)
Linked exclusively by minor roads in all directions to other bases - hoards 1000 surplus supply above its x3 requirements at all times.

Wenchow (port with biggest development level in China, port 3 airfield 3)
Hoards 3000-4000 surplus supply (mostly 4000)

Total hoard:
20,000 + 2000 + 1000 + 4000 = 27,000 supplies

So 1/5 of the total 140,000 supplies is HOARDED.


BTW, Wenchow will not give its surplus to Chuhsien which is two hexes away on Main Road and has tracing value >89, which means supplies should move from Wenchow to Chuhsien daily. I have big battles in Chuhsien, I barely have supply and have to put several unit on Reserve order just to save supply.

"We have to export of die".

Just die already.
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Re: Allied China supply - December 1941

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That is kind of realistic.

China's WWII Army did not function like the other Allied Armies. In other Armies, despite inter-service rivalries and ego fights, everybody was fighting for a common goal. Not so in China's Army. Chiang only controlled a bit more than a quarter of the Chinese troops directly. Another quarter was controlled by "loyal" warlords. The rest - a bit less than half the total strength - was divided between not-so-loyal warlords which were often following their own agenda, and the communist, who certainly had their own agenda.

So the local warlord at Wenchow does not want to share supplies with the local warlord at Chuhsien in the first place, because that guy is not a comrade in arms, but a competitor for power and favours from the next-higher regional warlord. The regional warlord may have actually ordered the Wenchow guy to help the Chuhsien guy, but communications are terrible, the Wenchow guy prefers not to risk his troops and resources in order to maintain his power base and so he ignores orders or acts deliberately in slow-motion, within his command, leadership, initiative, training etc. are almost non-existent, and there aren't any meaningful means for transportation available anyway. Sorry, no help for Chuhsien.
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Re: Allied China supply - December 1941

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You know that supply gravitates to the largest port so Wenchow draws it in. It will share every turn with units in the field but not with other bases until their turn in the weekly supply cycle. IIRC Chuhsien is an AF 1 at game start so it would only get supply once per week?
The other thing that could be happening is if Wenchow is using a lot of supply to repair industries or fight battles, it will retain higher levels of supply than normal. Loading supplies on ships will also increase the draw to Wenchow.
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