2 recent Ukrainian war videos and CMO

[Nikel]

Osint Technical.

Ukrainian Air Force Su-24 Fencer hauling at treetop level behind the frontline.

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2017863571523199171

Footage of a Ukrainian artillery crew dropping a Franco-Swedish BONUS 155mm smart shell on a Russian Buk.

As the submunition spun and descended, its IR/LIDAR sensor finally detected a target, and sent a molten jet of copper lancing down into the roof of the Russian SAM system.

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2018220580864983493


Tried to recreate them in CMO. The questions are:

The Su-24 apparently is not able to fly below 60 ms, with terrain following option ticked, and is shot down, in this video and many other similar from this war, ACs altitude is very low to avoid SAMS. Ace status does not change it.

The special BONUS shell seems like a normal shell, should they be considered as guided weapons?

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[Dimitris]

The Su-24 apparently is not able to fly below 60 ms, with terrain following option ticked, and is shot down, in this video and many other similar from this war, ACs altitude is very low to avoid SAMS. Ace status does not change it.

The altitude on that video looks at least 60m, in fact. The Su-24 is a pretty large AC (similar length to F-111).

Other aircraft have been shown to fly even lower over wheat fields etc., and that's not stopping them from being shot down (see Su-25 video a few days back).

The special BONUS shell seems like a normal shell, should they be considered as guided weapons?

The shell itself is unguided, it's the "warheads" themselves that are guided. CMO treats smart terminal submunitions as having a much larger Ph against mobile targets.

[Nikel]

Thanks for answering.


Those are 60 m? Looked like much lower to me. Less than 9 m are needed to avoid the Buk missiles.


Regarding the shell, this what is printed in the log.

Weapon: 155mm/52 Bofors BONUS [2x Sensor Fuzed Munitions] has impacted SA-27 Grizzly [9A316M] LLV (of SAM Plt (SA-27 Grizzly [9K317M Buk-M3]))

100% penetration achieved

[Russia] SA-27 Grizzly [9A316M] LLV has been destroyed!

[Dimitris]

Thanks for answering.

Those are 60 m? Looked like much lower to me. Less than 9 m are needed to avoid the Buk missiles.

In the video, the Su-24 flies straight and level over a flat terrain area (and still it keeps a healthy slack over the tree line).

In the example you posted, the Su-24MR flies over rough/uneven terrain (notice how the AGL value fluctuates wildly), which forces it to frequently be over the 60m threshold, and that in turn makes it easier to detect.

Switch to the Buk unit, and check its LOS against a target at 60, 70 and 80m AGL.

Regarding the shell, this what is printed in the log.

Weapon: 155mm/52 Bofors BONUS [2x Sensor Fuzed Munitions] has impacted SA-27 Grizzly [9A316M] LLV (of SAM Plt (SA-27 Grizzly [9K317M Buk-M3]))

100% penetration achieved

[Russia] SA-27 Grizzly [9A316M] LLV has been destroyed!

Yes, that's as designed. The shell impacts the SAM Platoon's general area and the terminal-guided submunitions do their magic.

Please stop being so pedantic and just Play. The. Game. We have real work to do. Thank you.