To repel or not to repel, that’s the question. And other logistic issues 165.53.01

[melvi]

Soooooo…if we trust the manual, it says in his page 299.

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Ok fine.
Then what the heck is my base Torrevieja hex 121, 120 doing?

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This is the “today” in game. For last 13 days Torrevieja Base in hex 121,120 has drawn around 5k coal each day ≃ 65k coal, all these days with a "repel" in his stockpling column. The 13 coal in the column of required is the full load of fuel of my 3 LBs sitting in the port. Torrevieja Base has a “fuel cap” of 9k. Torrevieja Base is in the dead-end of a RR, so not like Villena , Albacete or Murcia where you could find XXX amount of coal on his way further in the RR line. I still have no clue what is coal needed/spend for, but even so, why is coal been stockpiled there? ( lets not forget it has a “REPEL” in his stockpiling column). Other that getting coal stored there been spilled I don’t see any use to this move.
Does automatic logistic keeps in mind in any way the “caps” for supplies and/or fuel? ( btw I still don’t know if “fuel cap” is just fuel or fuel+coal, nobody answered when I asked this, no clue against what cap is counting the coal stockpiled in a base) I mean, it would be the right move to bring to Alicante hex 123,116 coal, at least till his “fuel cap” of 73k is reached. Madrid-Barajas hex 94,90 fuel cap 35k, Alcorcon/4 vientos hex 92,91 fuel cap 34k, Getafe hex 93,92 fuel cap 52k so you can keep it and avoid spilling, but.. in Torrevieja??. Why is coal been brought to Torrevieja??. And what´s the "repel" doing???.( I tell you that nothing.. but who knows?).
And another issue is that I had to move the “administracion de puertos” unit sat there by foot cause I could not issue a strategic movement order. So unless the RR is only broken Torrevieja going NW and not from Almoradi base 120,119 going SE dunno what logistic has been used to move ≃5k coal towards Torrevieja each day?.
Regards:
Melvi

[melvi]

More thingsssss:
The manual also says:

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Either there is no “natural anchorage” in alllll Spain coastline or this isnt applied, right?. I haven’t seen any base (with port) name in green.

Regards:
Melvi

[melvi]

Update on Torrevieja coal spilling.. If it is 10 in game days later than last update, it could be 5k brought to Torrevieja per day x 10 days =50 k more coal in Torrevieja. If there were 65k coal in Torrevieja now it should be 65k + 50k = 115k coal…and..!

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Uisssss! I almost had my maths right… it must be the decimals in the aprox 5k coal, it is not 115k coal but 120k coal in Torrevieja now! The spilling improves!
I have fount another sink for coal, El Grao de Castellon hex 127, 97 looks like is following same spilling path than Torrevieja. I have there now another 125k coal and it is fuel cap is 11k. El Grao de Castellon is another RR end that goes nowhere.

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In El Grao de Castellon the repel is recent I had not realiced coal was been stocked there
The 2 bases splling coal as if there were no tomorrow while Alicante base hex 123, 116 has orders to stockpile 50k coal since 10 turns ago because that base has a fuel cap of 73k and it is still at 20k/50k. I could understand coal been stockpiled wherever and spilled for whatever amount if all my fuel storage were full accros the map but that is not the case. And understand me, this don’t make me sleep worse, prolly I will never be short of coal in this game. It is all about the mechanics if they are working or not. I am using the coal example here, but it could probable be applied to supplies, armament points, fuel, HI points or whatever stuff must be moved among bases in a WWII game with this engine for instance.

Now something more worrying I realiced this turn is that this time is supplies what is been stockpiled in El Carmoli base hex 119, 124, one of the hexes with a CD unit proctecting Cartagena naval base. It is the base with most supplies this turn , 1 of october 1936, more than Madrid or Barcelona. Who´s dragging supplies there? Or who´s sending supplies there? And why? El Carmoli base has no RR or road that I can see, and still all those supplies are sent there. I have plenty of areas with low supplies that worry me much more and I am out of clue how to avoid the stockpling in El Carmoli and/or send supplies to areas more in need of supplies.

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I need some explanation about how to solve this, if I can do anything, or I would like logistical automatic duties been improved. For instance the “repel” stockpiling command to work ( if it would avoid the base repeling to get more of the stuff been repeled, that it is what I understand).
Regards:
Melvi

[CrusaderRex]

This is a major issue that needs to be looked into and fixed for sure.

[melvi]

Darn, i almost forgot to post this one too. I had the message prepared but i had not put it in the forum yet.

Well, so far I have been able to ship like 35k oil from URSS to Barcelona, and I am bringing more. I have almost 30k oil in the places the screenshot shows. Arent they able to send a single oil unit per turn ( or 10k once and forget the rest of the match) to Martorell that it is 3 hex far top for the refinery there to work?? Not to mention to send some of that oil to Villena where I have 10 refineries or to Albacete where I have 5. The mayority of the turns the industry screen shows those 3 locations with refineries “failing” to work due to lack of resources.

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Regards:
Melvi
PD: Just in case anyone want to check stuff in my game, here is the savegame of 1 september 1936.

1september1936.zip

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I started the scenario with built 165.52, played some turns with built 165.53 and now i am playing with built 165.53.01.

[Q-Ball]

I experienced the same thing as the Republic; coastal areas hoard Supplies, Oil, and Fuel, and it is not sent into the interior consistently.

I saw the same thing with the Refinery in Martorell; plenty of OIL 3 hexes away, none of it getting to the Refinery. But that's also true for Fuel and Supplies, which dropped from Odessa tended to just accumulate on the coasts

It didn't really fix......it only "Fixed" because of stockpiles captured from the Nationalists, particularly Cadiz

Unless we can start shooting coastal supply Commisars for hoarding and defeatism, there needs to be a fix on this

[Alessandro S.]

This sure looks like I need to take a look at it. Thanks for the save and the screenshots.

EDIT: For bases like El Carmoli they have no RR and no logistics units there to move stuff.
Check if the bases in need of Oil / Supply have logistics capacity.
Chances are the stuff does not move cause there is no one there to do it.
Either due to no RR link, or lack of Porter, Truck, Animal transport between the "have" and "need" bases.

[Alessandro S.]

And here it seems we have the answer for the Coal increase. This base does get a daily amount of some items independent from industry.
Maybe to reflect RL acquisition of items by oversea trade with neutral suppliers.

From what I can tell at a quick glance, the base does not accept other bases delivering Coal there, but it's own production does mount.
If you find Bases to accrue more than their own production per day give me a short note.