German Non-Mot Pioneers

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Wiedrock
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German Non-Mot Pioneers

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Finding more KSTNs while working through the mot. Pioneers, here's the non-mot stuff.

Here's a list of (hopefully all) KSTNs which are not "mot", well some are partially or as the (LL) rather mot.
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Looking through how a, b, c, d looked in/around summer 1942 we find the following:
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So this means at least 11Men, while I already removed 2 Men per Squad for Panzerbüchse 39, while there was only one authorized and with ingame Squads there would only be 2 in total removed and not 6.
Similarly I have removed the Bicycle dudes (for whatever reason).

The 1944 variants for some reason still contain the "Panzerbüchsenschütze", but those weapons were no longer part of the TOEs afaik (have seen several TOE overviews where they were removed with notes that they are no longer available), also not used ingame in those later TOEs. So the number of the later Squads should therefore also be (3+21+9)/3=11Men.
KSTN 711n_nA.jpg
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The earlier variants were even larger as can be seen in the notes, containing Squads of about 14Men.
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Re: German Non-Mot Pioneers

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Just to add
Pi Kp (nA) and Pi Kp (nA) auf Fahrrad
no date but should be late 43
Stabs Kp is the page before
https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/7
https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/7

Also here is a gültige KSTN list for 355 Inf Div showing the dates for

TE schw. Pi. GrW Gruppe 726 was 01.03.1943 (these probably switched the name to m. only with the introduction of the nA.)
TE schw. Pi. MG Gruppe 728 was 09.02.1943

so should show up in the early 43 TOE's

https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/7
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Re: German Non-Mot Pioneers

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MechFO wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 5:48 pm Pi Kp (nA) and Pi Kp (nA) auf Fahrrad
no date but should be late 43
Stabs Kp is the page before
https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/7
https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/7
Added as additional source links to the list. Also shows the 11Men (and not mentions the/any Panzerbüchsenschütze, which as mentioned was/should have been removed by that time).
MechFO wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 5:48 pm TE schw. Pi. GrW Gruppe 726 was 01.03.1943 (these probably switched the name to m. only with the introduction of the nA.)
TE schw. Pi. MG Gruppe 728 was 09.02.1943
The KSTNs are available (at least one date each).
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