[LOGGED] Lingering Missiles

[Gainful]

Using build 1877 but this has been an issue since several builds ago.

AA missiles that miss their targets or are unable to catch up linger for an unnecessarily long time. This causes frustrating issues in air combat, since attacking aircraft will not launch more missiles until the previous ones 'disappear' and defensive aircraft remain engaged defensive as long as the missiles exist, regardless of them having no chance of catching up. Both cases end up in unnecessary losses that would have been avoidable otherwise.

I've seen missiles lingering around with anywhere between 400-150kts speed, i.e no hopes of catching up with anything yet refusing to die. This is especially more noticeable in the case of short range IR missiles like Sidewinders.

There really needs to be a better logic for dealing with wasted missiles. Maybe have missiles with a speed less than 400kts be deleted, or change the AI logic to fire another missile if the first one's speed drops below 400kts (unless the target happens to be a helicopter or drone). In the same way, perhaps have aircraft that are engaged defensive disregard missiles whose speed has dropped below their cruise speed or something.

[blu3s]

There's a new doctrine option specific for that, it's not in the stable current version but it's in the latest beta

[thewood1]

Wasn't that the point of the AAW Guidance ROE setting?

[Gainful]

Its hard to tell in the heat of combat but the guidance doctrine setting seems to only affect radar guided missiles, and even then it doesn't seem to be reliable. Perhaps it works with some missiles and not with others. But I can confirm I tried a test with only IR missiles and the setting doesn't affect them.

[Dimitris]

Can we see a save where the new "AAW Guidance" ROE setting appears to not be working as expected? Thanks!

[Gainful]

Can we see a save where the new "AAW Guidance" ROE setting appears to not be working as expected? Thanks!

Its not a scenario specific thing, its an issue with the AI behavior in general and happens in any scenario. I literally just tested it out with quick battle scenarios. Also, the point isn't just the AAW Guidance setting, its also the behavior of aircraft engaged defensive because of the fact that missiles stick around for too long. But if you really must have a scenario, here you go.

Watch the missiles from both sides and see how they hang around forever even with ~300kts of speed and cause everyone to stay engaged defensive. And of course, no one will fire any more missiles until the first ones die off. You might need to run it quite a few times to properly see the issue.

[Dimitris]

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