Duplicate 4/5th Rifle Division + More Corps than Allowed

[FranGuasch]

Just a minor problem.

GC 1941. Just created a couple of Soviet Corps. Both of them i used 2 guard divisions and a militia Moscow division.

Militia divisions are "renamed" to 4th and 5th Rifle division (1st / 2nd GRC) when divided

[Denniss]

1st time I heard of someone using a Militia division for this. Thought they were separated until they reformed as standard Rifle Divs.
The rename is strange though as all Mosocow Militia Divs have renames but neither to 4 or 5.

[FranGuasch]

Regarding using militias... First tried to form a Corps with a Brigade (as in WITE1), then found not allowed somewhere. Checked all my "Inf TOES", had some 41a,b,c... then a few Far east and the militias.
I believe many of my militias were reformed to standard rifles (the ones in Leningrad?), so only "Moscow" ones were available, just used them

OTOH... "Changed main title"
I decided to "split" my 2 rifle corps into 3x divisions, mode REFIT, so they seem to get more Squads this way, 41b TOE. They get no Artillery, but i have not enough anyway to give them.
Each division has a different TOE than the combined corps. Perhaps this is solved in next Corps TOE upgrade

BUT here comes the second problem... i believe this is more serious. Just started to counterattack Germans in Blizzard, got a few more Guards divisions, 10 in all. In this turn, i ve moved all the guards to find the remaining milita divisions, perhaps 2 more. AS the corps are "split" i could build a 3rd, split it, then 4... rifle corps.

Then tried to form my 5th. I decided to "rebuild" a couple corps to check. Formed my 5th... a message pops: Something like CORPS LIMIT 2; BUILT 2, not allowed.

After this, found in manual you can build 2 corps in december, not included this in the BUILD limits, only cavalry corps (10 maximum)...

Again, i split previous corps, joined my 2 guards with a standard Rifle division (used one of these loser divisions with 6 defeats)... got my 5th Guard Corps. I am letting most of them back in rear areas, but... seems i could create 100 corps this way.

Clearly Seems this is not WAD. Dont know if it is a known bug

EDIT, after searching for a while with Soviet CORPS LIMIT, found a 2022 player reporting it, so known.

[Denniss]

are you still in 1941 or already in 1942? 42 has higher build limits

[FranGuasch]

Im in Dec 28, 1941

Also... i have been using my 3 motorized rifle divisions a lot, one of them has 8 victories, just a few defeats.

Still not Guards status, WAD?

Any way... Can these be used to form mech or tank corps? Or ... just brigades?

[Joel Billings]

Do you have a save where you are going over the corps limit in 1941? Can you zip it up and attach it here, or email it to 2by3@2by3games.com. Thanks.

[FranGuasch]

Trying sending a RAR, 5x Corps yet Done

Turn 26

[Joel Billings]

Ok, I was able to duplicate this using your save. Not sure if this is something unique to the guards rifle corps, or if the same thing can be done with other corps types. We'll look into it. At least in this case it's limited by the number of guards divisions available, which is not usually going to be a lot before 1942 when the corps limit goes up. Thanks for the report.

[Denniss]

may be exploitably with cavalry corps if they are treated the same way as rifle Corps. in 1942 the Rifle Corps limit is rather low so this may be exploitable there too.

[Joel Billings]

I confirmed using rifle corps later in 42 that this is exploitable. We'll try to close that exploit in a future update. Until then, players should try to avoid using this exploit as it clearly is not intended.

[FranGuasch]

Decided to rebuild 1st and 2nd Gds Corps, while turning all the others (3rd -5th) into split divisions.

I just didnt care about reforming corps at all for some turns, now in 15 Feb 42. So.. as still dont know how many corps can be done, i tried building a 3rd one, and it went ok.

Manual 1.16 ***In December 1941 only 2 Infantry Corps can be created and these must meet the criteria for Guards status (in addition at this stage the Soviet player can create up to 8 Cavalry Corps). From June 1942, they can start to build any type of Infantry Corps up to the limit on the build menu.***
(Is it allowed to build more than 2 corps in Feb 42? I can not know, as build option is not available)... I did have the 2 corps built

However... it was named "3rd Gds Corps".. So checked all previous guard divisions... and all previous corps have been eliminated someway. Perhaps over limit split corps are "disbanded?
(APs are lost, also.) Duplicate number divisions stay same as before, just not included in split corps

[Joel Billings]

You can form more corps starting in January 1942 (up to 41, IIRC). I can't explain why those other corps stopped being corps. Being over the limit should not matter, and in 42 they aren't over the limit anyway. Maybe something to do with the fact that the militia divisions got into the corps, and those militia divisions had renames that they hadn't yet executed caused the corps links to disappear. Do you have saves just before the corps links went away and after that happened? If you can put those up, I might be able to see why the links disappeared. Thanks.

[FranGuasch]

Checking T27, T28 saves. I had my 3rd - 5th corps split... but together in same hex. They stay named as part of a corps

By T29, T30, seems i just rebuilt 4th and 5th in some moment, far from the front, In T31 seems i built the 3rd also,

(1st and 2nd, are also built in all these turns)

By the end of T31, I decided to send the divisions to assault German lines. I just split the corps to move these units forward. In T32, T33 and T34 still ok... So... Seems it happened in my last T35 turn

I put a screenshot. Will send zip asap

[FranGuasch]

The save from T34 is fine, still divisions are in the corps I am sure i moved some extra units, but did not save the final part. I believe it was just a few moves in the southern area, probably to form lines

T35 save from game after german turn (STILL FINE!)

T35 save.. .after some leader changes... Here comes the problem

So probably something went corrupt in my game. The only weird thing i know i ve tried to do... is form a corps in some moment during the turn, i believe it was named as the 3rd Guards (i had another 3rd). I just did to check the message "limit 2 corps"... but built the 3rd corps instead. I reloaded but forgot to save.

Fortunately, this is my last turn, ill try "reloading" the original T35 savegame and redo the turn..

EDIT: Tried reload T35 original savegame. Did some air stuff. Then Executed Air driective. After this... lost the "corps marker" in some of the guard corps...

So Reloaded again, then executed directive without doing anything. Then,,, quickly merged al 3 corps. It went fine.

[Joel Billings]

Thanks for the saves. I see that the corps links were lost in the last save, but don't have any insights on what might have caused that. It doesn't duplicate for me either just running through the air phase. So maybe something you did in the air phase caused the issue, although that's going to be really hard to pin down given it shouldn't have anything to do with the air phase. If you can find a way to duplicate the issue and tell me what you did in the air phase to make it happen, that would be great (I could then try to duplicate it). I'll pass the info along to Pavel, but without duplicating the issue, there's not much he can probably do except maybe add in some debug log info in a future update in case it happens again.