Japanese artillery sucks

[jetjockey]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 15, 43

Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 108253 troops, 1047 guns, 1018 vehicles, Assault Value = 4349

Defending force 141452 troops, 597 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4836

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Tank Division
5th Division
58th Division
Imperial Guards Division
6th Division
40th Division
17th Division
69th Division
27th Division
18th Division
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
23rd AA Regiment
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
25th Army
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
72nd Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
46th Chinese Corps
78th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
9th Prov Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
21st Chinese Base Force
30th Group Army
27th Group Army
19th Group Army
17th Chinese Base Force
29th Group Army
5th Construction Regiment
14th Chinese Base Force
9th War Area
14th Construction Regiment

These are some of my heaviest guns, and every unit involved is at 100% prep.

[Yaab]

Remember, in a stack, each LCU has an indvidual DL. Fly a dozen of indvidual recon missions over Changsha so you can get a good DL on all Chinese units.

[Mike Solli]

Remember, in a stack, each LCU has an indvidual DL. Fly a dozen of indvidual recon missions over Changsha so you can get a good DL on all Chinese units.

Never knew that! Thank you!

[Mike Solli]

So, it is better to fly a recon mission as a chutai or break it down into 3 elements and have each element fly the recon mission to the same target?

[PaxMondo]

So, it is better to fly a recon mission as a chutai or break it down into 3 elements and have each element fly the recon mission to the same target?

Break it down ... the more missions, the more LCU's likely to be "discovered".

[PaxMondo]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 15, 43

Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

What is the fort level at Changsha?

[jetjockey]

Probably pretty high.

[PaxMondo]

Probably pretty high.

So then, not necessarily terrible results if the forts are 5 or higher. While not perfect, the ground model is still pretty good, and in particular, the bombardment algorithms are quite good. While, the actual casualties were low, the impact upon morale, disruption, and fatigue will likely show.

So is IJ arty great? Heck no. Most of the heavy pieces are early 1900's and a good number are from late 1800's. But, it does have effect IF you can get enough of it together. And I'm not talking about units, but rather actual device numbers, because many units have only a few devices. When I attack CK, I can gather just over 70 devices* of greater than 150mm ... that is scavenging from everywhere... and they are pretty effective, and really, really, expensive in terms of supply.



* I think the number is 74, but I may be off a few ... there is one unit that can't leave the HI.

[jetjockey]

There is this. After paying PP to upgrade each artillery LCU to the best commander available I got this:

Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 117736 troops, 1171 guns, 1087 vehicles, Assault Value = 4344

Defending force 213351 troops, 884 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7170

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th Division
5th Division
1st Tank Division
69th Division
27th Division
40th Division
Imperial Guards Division
58th Division
17th Division
18th Division
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
25th Army
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
23rd AA Regiment
12th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
99th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
9th Prov Chinese Corps
78th Chinese Corps
21st Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
86th Chinese Corps
70th Chinese Corps
88th Chinese Corps
46th Chinese Corps
28th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
3rd New Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Base Force
19th Group Army
9th War Area
10th Group Army
29th Group Army
17th Chinese Base Force
30th Group Army
3rd War Area
5th Construction Regiment
21st Chinese Base Force
23rd Group Army
27th Group Army
16th Construction Regiment
25th Group Army
32nd Group Army
14th Construction Regiment

[RedTaurus]

Do you have HQ units helping with the dice rolls?

[PaxMondo]

There is this. After paying PP to upgrade each artillery LCU to the best commander available I got this:

Sadly, there is little evidence linking Commander traits to Arty LCU combat performance. I tried to test for this years ago, and land skill ... well let me just say that if there is a correlation beyond random outcome I could not discern it.