Hierarchy Module Document

[rhinobones]

Now, illustrating the other issue, here is an Army Group Formation Report before the fix and then after. Note the additional manpower after the fix:

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In the percent of authorized manpower I recommend you get rid of the two positions past the decimal point. As an example, 99.16%. The base number this percentage is derived from is 0.9916 where the “1” represents 1/1000th of a unit and “6” represents 6/10,000th of a unit. Meaningless. Since your manpower number is already a fabricated number there is no need to boil down the available percentage to the 10,000th place.

You should follow Norm’s example for whole number percentages shown for proficiency and supply. Norm new his basic math and dropped the insignificant digits.

Regards

[Cpl GAC]

And for one brief moment the insignificant was significant.

[Curtis Lemay]

Now, illustrating the other issue, here is an Army Group Formation Report before the fix and then after. Note the additional manpower after the fix:

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In the percent of authorized manpower I recommend you get rid of the two positions past the decimal point. As an example, 99.16%. The base number this percentage is derived from is 0.9916 where the “1” represents 1/1000th of a unit and “6” represents 6/10,000th of a unit. Meaningless. Since your manpower number is already a fabricated number there is no need to boil down the available percentage to the 10,000th place.

You should follow Norm’s example for whole number percentages shown for proficiency and supply. Norm new his basic math and dropped the insignificant digits.

Regards

Proficiency and Supply are integers that range from 1 to 150 max. Three digits max. There was nothing for ole Norm to drop. Whereas the Authorized Fraction has underlying numbers that can literally be in the millions. I posted a Formation Report for the Top German formation that had 1.8 million men. And an OOB report for the Axis that had 2.2 million men. If I had switched over to the Soviets the numbers would be in the 5-6 million range. I just don't see that five significant digits are too much info when it has real significance. Losses can be huge and a unit or formation that is down to a tiny fraction of its original strength will benefit from the additional precision.

[Cpl GAC]

Here's an argument against presenting such precision;

Was that board game keeping track of individual vehicles, guns and squads?

...Instead you need to get a feel for what your force is capable of and go with your gut. That's what a real commander does.

+1

From https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... cf02736c74

I'm not sure seeing a force is at 68.73% versus 68% or 69% changes a mental calculation in this game, whether its for 5 million men or 250 men, but no decimal places is visually "cleaner". My quick calculation would look at a number approaching 60% versus a number approaching 70% to be a determiner, but seeing 68.73% versus 69% is not going to make me change an action other than first having to round up 68.73% to 69% in my head.

[Curtis Lemay]

Here's an argument against presenting such precision;

...Instead you need to get a feel for what your force is capable of and go with your gut. That's what a real commander does.

+1

From https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... cf02736c74

First of all, you've chopped off most of what Ben posted above, including the part I was mostly agreeing with: TOAW obsoleted Combat Results Tables and their columns.

I'm not sure seeing a force is at 68.73% versus 68% or 69% changes a mental calculation in this game, whether its for 5 million men or 250 men, but no decimal places is visually "cleaner". My quick calculation would look at a number approaching 60% versus a number approaching 70% to be a determiner, but seeing 68.73% versus 69% is not going to make me change an action other than first having to round up 68.73% to 69% in my head.

As I explained to Rhinobones, it's a dynamic range issue. When the unit gets whittled down to a tiny fraction the extra precision pays off. Big difference between a unit at 1.49% and 0.01%. Yet without the extra precision both would be at 1%. That's an extreme example but it applies the smaller the unit gets.

[rhinobones]

Big difference between a unit at 1.49% and 0.01% . . . extreme example

Think the extreme example is a bit absurd. You're calculating the 1/10,000th position for units that have long since evaporated. The extra digits are not relevant and are inconsistent with TOAW displays established by Norm.

Regards

[Cpl GAC]

I'll not short Ben. Here's the whole context less your +1 and with my highlights:

Was that board game keeping track of individual vehicles, guns and squads?

What this really does for the game is take away the calculations that a player makes a board game. You're no longer looking at your pieces and working out how to get into that magic 4:1 attack odds column; this is a totally artificial process. Instead you need to get a feel for what your force is capable of and go with your gut. That's what a real commander does.

Yeah - this is the real magic. Somehow the game introduced so many numbers that trying to use them became impossible. There is so much science of war that the only way to handle it is to treat it like the art of war. There is no way for a human to number crunch their way forward. I don't even look at the odds when setting up attacks. It is not a worthwhile piece of information.

My point is that for all the game's data accuracy players are still processing it at a more simplified level. Unit Health is color coded in five ranges, and that works just fine to assess almost every situation. % of Authorized Strength is information that parallels the Health information - its intuitive that green means go and more is better.