Santa came early ...

[Damien Thorn]

ORIGINAL: tiredoftryingnames
We all laugh at him. Join us.

[:D] You just made my day.

[mdiehl]

I think Mdiehl is referring to one of my posts in another thread where I mentioned that the early 4 USN CVs (Lexington, Yorktown, Saratoga and Enterprise) now have all their OOB fighter and strike squadron units rated in the mid 80s for experience (as opposed to the later USN CV squadrons).

That's what I was referring to. I don't think the EXP ratings of USN/USMC air units not on the map when the game starts need modification.

And on a personal note, if you'd like to discuss either modular concepts such as inheritance or parent-child relationships, C++, Java, etc. , or the proper use of grammer, just let me know. My hourly rates are quite reasonable.

Why would I pay for your "expertise" when you seem quite willing to dispense with it in this forum for free?

You suggestion is simple, and childish. And crap. To be blunt, it is piss-poor design. I'll skip the technical analysis as to why since it is obviously well above your comprehension level.

Ad hominem, ergo non sequitur. You are at least consistent.

[brisd]

Personally, this game is getting a bit too tactical for me, becoming close to unplayable except for those who are retired or part-time workers due to time constraints [&:] But to the issue at hand, I trust the designers to give enough randomness to the combat results that sinking five BB's or zero BB's will be very rare. It was possible for IJN to cause more damage than historically and vice versa. Finally, there will always be individuals on these forums who piss others off. That is why I am thankful for the BLOCKED user option, one can only take so much BS. [;)]

[Mr.Frag]

But to the issue at hand, I trust the designers to give enough randomness to the combat results that sinking five BB's or zero BB's will be very rare

5 or 0 are generally few and far between, based on my luck, 1 or 2 seems to be the norm. The basic problem is that PH with it's size 10 port and repair yard and repair ships pretty much ensure that any ship that does not go down instantly will not go down at all.

I don't remember ever seeing a ship sink on the 8th from the damage dished out by KB on the 7th.

[CMDRMCTOAST]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

dont forget Maryland [:)]

I believe the maryland could be hit in the aft end of the ship with a plane crossing over
the naval station and fleet HQ.
There is a jap photo showing torp damage to the Arizona in the forward end before the
second attack wave and her demise so I believe it could happen to the Maryland also.
So it should be possible in a "Wargame" of this scope and I can accept all outcomes.

[mdiehl]

5 or 0 are generally few and far between, based on my luck, 1 or 2 seems to be the norm. The basic problem is that PH with it's size 10 port and repair yard and repair ships pretty much ensure that any ship that does not go down instantly will not go down at all.

I don't remember ever seeing a ship sink on the 8th from the damage dished out by KB on the 7th.

Thanks Frag, I was sort of wondering about where the central tendency lies. If "5 sunk" is one of those pie in the sky outliers then I've probably become concerned about something that does not warrant the concern. In GGPW it was typical, in my experience over several dozen starts vs. the AI and in several FTF games, to lose at least 4PH BBs irretrievably sunk, and common (but atypical) to lose at least 6.

[mbatch729]

ORIGINAL: tiredoftryingnames

Don't let him get to you. He tries to sound smart and talk down to anyone that disagrees with him. He's done it the whole thread. You explain your point and he always starts with "let me reexplain it since you missed it" or comes up with some theory that he thinks you're too stupid to understand. Everyone in this thread has been against his idea because it's silly and everyone sees him for what he is. So don't let him goad you into getting banned. We all laugh at him. Join us.

Thanks, I needed that. This jacka$$ obviously hit a hot button of mine. So, yes, I'll join you.

[Mr.Frag]

Thanks Frag, I was sort of wondering about where the central tendency lies. If "5 sunk" is one of those pie in the sky outliers then I've probably become concerned about something that does not warrant the concern.

As you may have noticed from other testers asking me how I pulled it off, it is a rather rare X-mas present hence the title of the thread [:D]

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: CMDRMCTOAST


I believe the maryland could be hit in the aft end of the ship with a plane crossing over
the naval station and fleet HQ.
There is a jap photo showing torp damage to the Arizona in the forward end before the
second attack wave and her demise so I believe it could happen to the Maryland also.
So it should be possible in a "Wargame" of this scope and I can accept all outcomes.

I seriously doubt it....the Japanese needed to obtain maximum hit scores so to attempt a fancy "bank shot" on that kind of angle would risk reducing their overall gains. PH would be an unforgiving place for such an attempt and they only had the one shot at it.

[neuromancer]

There, now I'm ready.

ORIGINAL: mdiehl

No one 'objects' to Matrix doing it. If they really want to, and can do it in some manner that doesn't make things work out in an idiotic manner, then more power to them.

Again, I thank you for being honest about that at least.

[8|]
Good grief, you really are a jack-@ss aren't you.

I wonder. If I thought it was hopeless I'd not keep the subject alive.

Somehow I doubt that...

I notice that no one from the design team has chimed in with "No, we're not going to implement that idea."

If I was them I wouldn't reply to you either. This is a very well behaved board, and here you are flaming away (which caused me to dive in and throw some gas on the fire). You're an idiot, and don't deserve a response - one way or another - from the design team.

Again, the detail you want to add is extremely important, and yet other details aren't?

Non-sequitur. If you've got details issues, speal up for 'em. [;)]

Twit.
You happily belittle everyone else's comments on details, only the ones you think up seem to be important.

The benefit is a matter for debate. On the simplicity, you are mistaken. You only wish for it to be complex because you'd prefer a routine in which it is likely that a historic start will result in far more damage in the PH raid than historically occurred.

I do?
What a curious supposition to make. And on what are you basing this on? Are you telepathic? If so, I would recommend getting that checked, it doesn't seem to work so well.

Man, being wrong is a full time occupation for you.
I suppose once you've started proving how you know nothing about anything, you have to keep on proving it all times don't you. Got a reputation to maintain.

It is relevant to the extent that you have attempted to divert the argument from the subject at hand by invoking argumentam ab authoritam to dismiss suggestions that you dislike.

Look boys, he's done drug out the dictionary so he can use dem big words!

The problem is, you are are an authority on punch cards. If we want programming advice on that, we'll know who to come to.

And your "guarantee" is not worth the money that I've paid for it.

True enough.
But oh, wait, so are all your claims too!
Funny that.

Only if you are so talentless as to refer to the proposed subroutine using an already designated subroutine name/index

You really haven't looked at real code recently, have you?

So... your belief is that any new code will automatically be bugless unless the coders involved are complete fools.
No wonder the dev team doesn't talk to you.

or if you are so foolish as to specifically map individual subroutines to individual memory addresses.

That's funny!
No one has coded that way in litterally 20 years! Even assembler doesn't assign to static memory addresses any more!

I really recommend you stop trying to prove your point, all you are doing is proving how little you actually know!

Nice try, but obviously you don't know sh1t about us either.

I know enough about YOU to know that you can't admit when you are mistaken.

Oh that is rich! 'Pot calling the kettle' me boyo!

What about the USS Ward sinking a mini-sub? There should be a variable about whether this happens, and whether the report is dismissed by the senior officers.

Interesting. Since you equate the loss of 4 extra BBs with, in terms of importance, the loss of a mini sub, you would agree that the game should accord point values to sinking a USN pre-war BB with one fourth of the VP value of a mini sub. If not, why not?

He's an idiot, he's an idiot, and he loves to show it!
Everyone sing it!

I wasn't actually planning on doing anything but flaming you in this post, but I'll actually reply to this because you obviously are too stupid to understand the obvious.

If Pearl had given credit to what the USS Ward had donw, they would have realised that something was up, and been on a heightened state of readiness. This would have resulted in - obviously - significantly more Japanese losses, and probably significantly less American damage (partticularly in planes on the ground).

The rest of my little points were similar.



The truth is buddy, I really don't give a damn about your idea. One way or the other. But you are such an egotistical butt-head, I had to come in here and pull your chain. I hope this post makes you mad enough to chew nails!

Of course you will deny that it had any effect at all, but that's okay, we know the truth don't we.

And I also have no desire to debate this with you, so I'm outa here to spend time in threads where those involved aren't you!

I recommend everyone else do the same. If Matrix finds some way to make this loser happy - without introducing a whole packet of new bugs into the code or making the entire thing incredibly weird - then fine. And if they don't, let this idiot pout, he isn't worth our time.

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Giggle, snort!
After everyone telling him he was gettin' all worked up over nothing, Mr. Frag tells him again (at least the second time) that typical is one or two - without having to re-write sections of code - and suddenly all is right in the world!

It is to laugh.

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This flame has been brought to you by..

Asbestos-underoos!

Fire retardant underwear for when you are diving into a flame war, butt first!

[pasternakski]

Why hasn't this thread been locked?

[Mike Scholl]

NEUROMANCER The simple fact that you would waste this much time, effort, and
space engaging in a silly "flame war" proves to me that you are every bit as big an
IDIOT as anyone you chose to "take on". Post an intelligent rebuttal once..., and
if the person you are dissagreeing with doesn't "get it"; that's THEIR problem. The
majority of the participants in these forums are intelligent enough to make up their
own minds as to what side of a question they want to come down on.

[neuromancer]

I'm sorry Mikey, did you get all upset because I didn't respond to you flaming me the first time? Feeling lonely maybe. Okay, here goes. Its not much, but it should make you feel all important because someone bothered to respond to you.

You know, all I dd was make a simple statement about people not wanting to always have the historical outcome for PH, and your response was rather insulting about how I obviously didn't read what you said, and so forth and so on. I shrugged and went on.
Actually, I don't even think it got a shrug.


Hey wait a sec... didn't you just say that if someone doesn't 'get it' the first time, that is their problem? So why did...?

Hmm.... Oh well, 'do as I say, not as I do'. The usual.


I cannot remember why I posted the response I did, I might have misunderstood what you said - people do that all the time you know. Or maybe I wasn't specifically responding to what you said. I don't really know. It was such a small moment of my existance, I really don't remember.

Or care.


At any rate Mikey, in the flame category you are pretty much a non-entity, so I had no interest in responding tit for tat. Dippy back there was just being a doorknob, so I wanted to let him have it. Which I admit was pretty childish, but every now and then it is fun to smack twits like him upside the head.

Sorry, despite your attempts to light my fire though, this is all you're going to get. I might be able to recommend some forums if you are looking to get flamed though. With your attitude, you should be able to get someone flaming you in no time.


BTW: There was no interest in an 'intelligent rebutal' because there is nothing intelligent about this entire debate!

Have to agree though, why hasn't this absurdity been locked yet? Perhaps Matrix cannot be bothered - people want to rant, let them. Or maybe they just haven't noticed.

[Adnan Meshuggi]

[:D]I suggest we should put in the effect of burning oil and exploding parts... so the japanese planes should be hampered.. if they can´t see the ships, they can´t hit em Has somebody exact weather dates with wind-strenght and direction ? You really should program this, it is surely sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo easy.... [:'(]
or wait, the best thing would be that the japanese planes fly in, get shot down (because USS Nimitz came back in time) and every allied fan boy will be happy, because he saved the day, get the purple heart or something else to put on it´s brest and we all sing..."thank god we have Mdiehl...." [&o][&o]

I want to play this game... anybody who wants things that delay it, should be shot... [:D] but maybe you could put in the Mdiehl-trigger (if you push him, any japanese ship will scuttle, any japanese soldier commit sucide and mdiehl has won [:D][:D][:D]

In earlier times i tried to talk to him, but it is useless. And i still wait for the day he get the data about the P80 in Spring 1945...

really, i want the USS-Nimitz come back in time-effect been programmed.
I bet, MDIEHL can manage this easily, beeing such an expert programmer[:D]

[Mike Scholl]

No.., one effort at correcting you is enough. It is apparent that we will now have to
deal with Brady (who thinks like an adult, but spells like an 8-year old) and YOU (who
spells like an adult, but acts like an 8-year old. You can't even remember what I
"set you straight" about..., and you don't care. Or perhaps you didn't bother to read
it. I'll fight through Brady's spelling, as there is often something worthwhile under-
neath. But you I will ignore... Why don't you go sit in the corner until you "grow up".

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

Brady (who thinks like an adult, but spells like an 8-year old) and YOU (who
spells like an adult, but acts like an 8-year old.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

[Ol_Dog]

Or a 28 year old girl

[Rendova]

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

Brady (who thinks like an adult, but spells like an 8-year old) and YOU (who
spells like an adult, but acts like an 8-year old.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

We all have a little 8 year old in us[:D]

[CMDRMCTOAST]

[/quote]

We all have a little 8 year old in us[:D]

[/quote]

Or a spoiled hard headed, non budging, unforgiving, shallow minded, brat hidden deep down.
Like me[:D]

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: Rendova
We all have a little 8 year old in us[:D]

Hey, now. I have never had a little eight-year-old in ME.