If you are ignorant or in denial about the history of your Catholic (or whichever) Church, then your faith is meaningless. And in my experience American Protestant organizations are quite proud of their stand against accepted scientific wisdom. Hey, I tend to get along with people of all beliefs, but that doesn't mean I'll always keep my mouth sealed shut.
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accepted scientific wisdom? are you aware scientists are flocking away from the THEORY of evolution and themselves labeling it as a religeon? simply due to lack of scientific evidence and evidence to the contrary? i think you really ought to stick to the topics of this board and leave your personal religeous vendettas/beliefs to another forum. if you would like to dig into some of the "scientific wisdom" via email, ill be glad to site studies, reports, books, PhDs etc and perhaps shed some alternate scientific wisdom that is widely accepted within science even if not widely reported.
So PLEASE, lets keep in on track here before we offend 90% of the board and bore the others to death.
So PLEASE, lets keep in on track here before we offend 90% of the board and bore the others to death.
In the Last days its said the Lion will lay down with the Lamb. Even on that day, I would want to be the Lion. Ben Gurion
You see? Truckeye is a perfect example of a vibrant, defiant American religious man. I shouldn't be worried about statements I make because I can't hurt people like him, who seem to predominate American religion. And thanks for the offer truck, but I really didn't come here looking for quite that type of fight. And I don't know how it would look to an impartial observer, but it seems to me that YOU are the one bringing your own personal vendettas to this board.
Don't take stuff so seriously. It is the great unfinished task of modern religion to transform itself from the cause of wars to a universal force for peace. Don't upset the applecart after so much very encouraging progress has been made.
Don't take stuff so seriously. It is the great unfinished task of modern religion to transform itself from the cause of wars to a universal force for peace. Don't upset the applecart after so much very encouraging progress has been made.
Khan7
Wow, a thread that delves into statistical analysis, abstracted models, the history of the Catholic Church, the concept of the American religious male, a subtly brilliant conceit of painting techniques capped off with a nod to Picasso and a shout out to Jeopardy to boot! Pass the popcorn, dude!
If someone can work in references to the Thirty Years War and Madonna's new album, I'm calling Dennis Miller! Writing jobs for everybody!
This is one of the best threads I've ever seen!
If someone can work in references to the Thirty Years War and Madonna's new album, I'm calling Dennis Miller! Writing jobs for everybody!
This is one of the best threads I've ever seen!
i made no statement of my personal religous beliefs, so you are working on assumption. im merely pointing out if youre not looking for that sort of "fight" then dont bring it up to begin with. in addition, i was pointing out that your sweeping statement on your perception of the american religous community are best made elsewhere. i believe anyone with a neutral belief in creation/evolution for one example would agree when seeing the facts that there is room for much debate on those THEORIES and that people who claim enlightenment and like to look down on the "poor dumb religous people that cling to outdated beliefs" (as you infer) are themselves just as bad or worse for labling, making stereo types, and NOT checking the available facts first. you certainly have lost credibility for doing such a thing here.
since you choose to avoid discussing the facts of the can of worms you opened, then i suggest you stick to what you are apparently here for, and by your actions that is picking fights with the designers and members while degrading this great GAME at every chance.
since you choose to avoid discussing the facts of the can of worms you opened, then i suggest you stick to what you are apparently here for, and by your actions that is picking fights with the designers and members while degrading this great GAME at every chance.
In the Last days its said the Lion will lay down with the Lamb. Even on that day, I would want to be the Lion. Ben Gurion
Okay, I'm going to have out with it once and for all-- the people who frequent these boards are a bunch of gutless womany pussies. For Pete's sake! I make comments on the game, and when I'm not scared off by a few dirty looks from the establishment all of a sudden I am a ruthless psycho bent on destroying all SPWAW has come to be!! On this board, nearly every criticism and analysis I have made has been taken as insult, and every joking prod been taken as flame!!
Arguing and debating things tenaciously, even forcefully, is something that grown people should be able to do without passing from fleeting furor to malice, from frustration to hateful resentment. Frankly I very often have a hard time believing that I'm posting in a forum for WARgamers, who one would assume would be tougher even than the average joe.
So basically I've had enough experience to know that I've done nothing that warranted any enemies or big wars, and if all hell breaks loose right about now and a mob shows up at my door, no one will convince me that it was my fault.
LOL!!
Arguing and debating things tenaciously, even forcefully, is something that grown people should be able to do without passing from fleeting furor to malice, from frustration to hateful resentment. Frankly I very often have a hard time believing that I'm posting in a forum for WARgamers, who one would assume would be tougher even than the average joe.
So basically I've had enough experience to know that I've done nothing that warranted any enemies or big wars, and if all hell breaks loose right about now and a mob shows up at my door, no one will convince me that it was my fault.
LOL!!
Khan7
Like I said, this is the best thread I've ever seen!
Matrix Max - Beyond Forumdome! Two men enter, one man leaves!, no wait, three men ent- no, four men-, oh, now there's five guys!
Stop the madness! Can't we all be peace loving brothers who happen to really like simulating combined arms warfare on a battalion level?
Matrix Max - Beyond Forumdome! Two men enter, one man leaves!, no wait, three men ent- no, four men-, oh, now there's five guys!
Stop the madness! Can't we all be peace loving brothers who happen to really like simulating combined arms warfare on a battalion level?
I agree entirely. thats why im pushing to stick to the point. everyone knows politics and religon spark many heated debates. To take the opening shots at folks then go crying foul when people respond to that attack is a mystery. here i thought i offered to discuss issues like he wants to, and now im akin to an angry mob.
Would be like attacking Pearl Harbor and then saying hey, i dont want a war here. you americans are wussies for not understanding my intentions.
lets bronze this now infamous thread and move on. i will say Khan, i do agree with you in that units in the hex that is hit, would logically take more damage than those adjacent. but, it seems that issue is settled as far as matrix is concerned, and thats fine with me. now I need to adjust the way i play to take into account the gameplay.
Would be like attacking Pearl Harbor and then saying hey, i dont want a war here. you americans are wussies for not understanding my intentions.
lets bronze this now infamous thread and move on. i will say Khan, i do agree with you in that units in the hex that is hit, would logically take more damage than those adjacent. but, it seems that issue is settled as far as matrix is concerned, and thats fine with me. now I need to adjust the way i play to take into account the gameplay.
In the Last days its said the Lion will lay down with the Lamb. Even on that day, I would want to be the Lion. Ben Gurion
I agree with some of what Khan7 is saying. The catholic church showed great intolerance during the 30 years war. And you should have heard what the pope was just quoted as saying about Madonnas new album (not that good, i know, but i didn't put a lot of time into it 
).
I think many of the great debators here have been extremely tolerant of the way you ask things or pose questions. As they should be, IMO. You obviously care about the game, are serious about realism, and want improvements. A commendable message. Now work on the delivery. You'll be happier with the results.
).OK, AmmoSgt will be here shortly to invite you to a nice, friendly email game of SPWAW.the people who frequent these boards are a bunch of gutless womany pussies. For Pete's sake! LOL!!
Well, this should tell you something Khan7. It's not the message, but the messanger. In order to be a skillful debator, you need to be a good messanger.On this board, nearly every criticism and analysis I have made has been taken as insult, and every joking prod been taken as flame!!
I think many of the great debators here have been extremely tolerant of the way you ask things or pose questions. As they should be, IMO. You obviously care about the game, are serious about realism, and want improvements. A commendable message. Now work on the delivery. You'll be happier with the results.
Unconventional war requires unconventional thought
rrrrrgg.. my entire point is that people are taking offense to my methods and approach like they have in no other situation I've been in that involved people of above-average intelligence. My point is that they are taking offense too easily, and ignoring all indications that I don't take any of this that seriously. If you think that I am coarse, boorish, and stupid in the way I approach issues, I would invite you to pay a visit to the Earth2025 General Message Board, or even to the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives!
As for Truckeye, look: I am from the suburbs of St. Louis, where everybody and his brother is a fundamentalist Christian. However, despite the fact that I am an atheist, I manage to get along with such people quite well, and the fact that a person feels in his heart that I must be saved or go to hell doesn't really offend me or lessen my estimation of them. All this said, I mOSt DEFinitely have the right to make a few measured pokes at the religious establishment at my discretion.
If you choose to take disproportionate offense to them, that is YOUR problem and YOURS alone.
You must realize that my position and my experiences have compelled me to take a rather light-hearted and somewhat indifferent view of such matters.
As for Truckeye, look: I am from the suburbs of St. Louis, where everybody and his brother is a fundamentalist Christian. However, despite the fact that I am an atheist, I manage to get along with such people quite well, and the fact that a person feels in his heart that I must be saved or go to hell doesn't really offend me or lessen my estimation of them. All this said, I mOSt DEFinitely have the right to make a few measured pokes at the religious establishment at my discretion.
If you choose to take disproportionate offense to them, that is YOUR problem and YOURS alone.
You must realize that my position and my experiences have compelled me to take a rather light-hearted and somewhat indifferent view of such matters.
Khan7
none of which has any place on this board or any need to be a part of your discussion of adjacent hex damage. yes, use your right of free speech all you want, but dont expect those you offend (who may NOT be like others you have experiance yet you lump them in together) to sit there and let you take pot shots without responding. if you go back to my original post, i dont believe i over reacted, in fact i asked to take this whole discussion to email. as far as bothering me alone, your posts (as you mention and contridict yourself since you think im the only one that disagrees) are often taken as derisive. i suggest thats evidence as another stated that at least on this board, we take exception to that form of delivery, no matter your intentions. if thats tolerated or encouraged on another board has no bearing on this board.
ive seen paul v respond to hundreds of posts over the years and he is a very reasonable man. its indeed very rare he "lights anyone up", therefore regardless of how you lable our intelligence on this board, it would apprear your delivery provokes people here. bringing in religon and taking pot shots are beyond a civil debate over HE shots and quite unnecessary.
your chosing to play the victom because some posters take issue with either your style or content is dramatic. seems we should be able to discuss matters as you once said without going to such measures.
i apologise if i fall into your less than average intelligence because i take issue with your posts.
ive seen paul v respond to hundreds of posts over the years and he is a very reasonable man. its indeed very rare he "lights anyone up", therefore regardless of how you lable our intelligence on this board, it would apprear your delivery provokes people here. bringing in religon and taking pot shots are beyond a civil debate over HE shots and quite unnecessary.
your chosing to play the victom because some posters take issue with either your style or content is dramatic. seems we should be able to discuss matters as you once said without going to such measures.
i apologise if i fall into your less than average intelligence because i take issue with your posts.
In the Last days its said the Lion will lay down with the Lamb. Even on that day, I would want to be the Lion. Ben Gurion
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The bottom line is that Yes, Virginia adjacent hex damage is not "done right". But assuming that every HE bomb or shell has a 25m area of effect and sliding that around is LESS ACCURATE (ie more wrong) than the way we do things curently assuming the total probability of casualty producing effect is "spread out" over a 0-2 hex radius based on warhead size.
So, the bottom line is there will be completely different way of doing it in CL that should increase sales of Madonna' new album, and attendance at American Religious services, while causing a revisionist re-enterpretation of the 30 Years War as a product not of Protestant vs Roman Catholic Germans, but actually because of the effect of Baroque music on post Medieval youth.
With that I close this thread ... one destined for the "Most OT stuff in the shortest thread" award in the Forum Hall of Fame
[ August 05, 2001: Message edited by: Paul Vebber ]
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So, the bottom line is there will be completely different way of doing it in CL that should increase sales of Madonna' new album, and attendance at American Religious services, while causing a revisionist re-enterpretation of the 30 Years War as a product not of Protestant vs Roman Catholic Germans, but actually because of the effect of Baroque music on post Medieval youth.
With that I close this thread ... one destined for the "Most OT stuff in the shortest thread" award in the Forum Hall of Fame
[ August 05, 2001: Message edited by: Paul Vebber ]
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