What Would You Like?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wild Bill:
Suppose another tactical wargame on the scale of Steel Panthers, single tanks-vehicles, squads, teams, and single artillery units were going to come out in a year or so.(snip)
1. Much larger maps so you can make real flanking movements.
2. The ability to cut of enemy units from their supplies (and of course the possibility of dropping or sneaking in supplies, when you are cut of )
3. The ability to collect immobilised vehicles and repair them.
4. Wounded among the casualties. With the possibility to buy ambulances for collecting the wounded, this will have a positive effect on morale.
5. Units will rather surrender than being annihilated. Especially at this point spwaw is not very realistic. I’ve played a few games and have seen that complete infantry-squats get massacared by enemy units when the realistic thing for them to do was to surrender. Remember soldiers are human, when there is a choice between surrendering or death, I think most of them go for the first option.
6. And since I’m dutch I would like to see some bicycle-troops.
Cheers, Edgar
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Suppose another tactical wargame on the scale of Steel Panthers, single tanks-vehicles, squads, teams, and single artillery units were going to come out in a year or so.(snip)
1. Much larger maps so you can make real flanking movements.
2. The ability to cut of enemy units from their supplies (and of course the possibility of dropping or sneaking in supplies, when you are cut of )
3. The ability to collect immobilised vehicles and repair them.
4. Wounded among the casualties. With the possibility to buy ambulances for collecting the wounded, this will have a positive effect on morale.
5. Units will rather surrender than being annihilated. Especially at this point spwaw is not very realistic. I’ve played a few games and have seen that complete infantry-squats get massacared by enemy units when the realistic thing for them to do was to surrender. Remember soldiers are human, when there is a choice between surrendering or death, I think most of them go for the first option.
6. And since I’m dutch I would like to see some bicycle-troops.
Cheers, Edgar
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....Oh by the way!!!
Here are two other things I'd like to see in SPWAW or similar title.
1. Star shells, for those dark nights when you just can't see a darn thing. It might be nice to illuminate a few hexs.
2. Prisioners. Units already surrender under certain conditions. What happens to these troops? Maybe the unit that cause the surrender can give up 2 men to "escort" the prisioners to the rear lines. If an enemy unit comes back in contact with the prisioner unit, they can be placed back into the mix (with minimum weapons). A prisioner unit can count double for victory points for the capture or he can execute the prisioner unit (ala war crimes), but loose triple points (an incentive to uphold the Geneva Convention rules). Battle field conditions would definately play a role here.
What do you think? Is it over the top?
Here are two other things I'd like to see in SPWAW or similar title.
1. Star shells, for those dark nights when you just can't see a darn thing. It might be nice to illuminate a few hexs.
2. Prisioners. Units already surrender under certain conditions. What happens to these troops? Maybe the unit that cause the surrender can give up 2 men to "escort" the prisioners to the rear lines. If an enemy unit comes back in contact with the prisioner unit, they can be placed back into the mix (with minimum weapons). A prisioner unit can count double for victory points for the capture or he can execute the prisioner unit (ala war crimes), but loose triple points (an incentive to uphold the Geneva Convention rules). Battle field conditions would definately play a role here.
What do you think? Is it over the top?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wild Bill:
Wild Bill,
I want to add my strong recommendation for the following previously submitted ideas.
CAP for the battlefield. (I would just love to purchase some fighters and watch them shoot down the attacking bombers!)
Setting Opp fire for Hard or Soft Targets.
Large Scale campaign that once the major decisions are made, (Leaders, Armies, Invasion or defense points, and objectives) then it moves down into a SP scale for the actual battles. (This would let me feel like Eisenhower and a frontline commander in the same game!)
My own thoughts:
Let's have even greater weather effects that change even every few rounds of a scenario. (Nothing would be worse than buying air strikes and having them cancelled, but it is realistic!)
I want the ability to destroy a bridge in retreat like in Close Combat. (But if the guy pushing the button gets killed before he can push the plunger....oh, well! Like in Saving Private Ryan!)
Others have mentioned the ability to cut off supplies, but how about the ability to air drop emergency supplies to cut off troops.
How about special forces that have on the uniforms of the enemy?! (Battle of the Bulge)
Thanks for the great work on SPWAW!!!!
Wild Bill,
I want to add my strong recommendation for the following previously submitted ideas.
CAP for the battlefield. (I would just love to purchase some fighters and watch them shoot down the attacking bombers!)
Setting Opp fire for Hard or Soft Targets.
Large Scale campaign that once the major decisions are made, (Leaders, Armies, Invasion or defense points, and objectives) then it moves down into a SP scale for the actual battles. (This would let me feel like Eisenhower and a frontline commander in the same game!)
My own thoughts:
Let's have even greater weather effects that change even every few rounds of a scenario. (Nothing would be worse than buying air strikes and having them cancelled, but it is realistic!)
I want the ability to destroy a bridge in retreat like in Close Combat. (But if the guy pushing the button gets killed before he can push the plunger....oh, well! Like in Saving Private Ryan!)
Others have mentioned the ability to cut off supplies, but how about the ability to air drop emergency supplies to cut off troops.
How about special forces that have on the uniforms of the enemy?! (Battle of the Bulge)
Thanks for the great work on SPWAW!!!!
WW2'er
"That [state] which separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards, and its fighting by fools." — Thucydides, 'The Peloponnesian Wars'
"That [state] which separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards, and its fighting by fools." — Thucydides, 'The Peloponnesian Wars'
I'm really glad I started this thread. These ideas are all great. Some might not work into the scope of a firefight - the time frame, but who knows?
Anyway, I'm taking them all down. Its becoming quite a list by the way.
But thanks for your response, all of you. Just not enough time to thank you all individually.
The Kunel - aka Wild Bill
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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games
Anyway, I'm taking them all down. Its becoming quite a list by the way.
But thanks for your response, all of you. Just not enough time to thank you all individually.
The Kunel - aka Wild Bill
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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

In Arduis Fidelis
Wild Bill Wilder
Independent Game Consultant
Bill, I would like to see some more oob's for Germany, maybe a split at 1943, so we could have my grey/camo switch, 2 for Rumania-Axis and Allied, 2 for the Allied/Axis Italians, and probably a few others. My Diana, Dicker Max, Flame Char B and others would like to be used by others than just me and my brother!!
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Mike Amos
Meine Ehre Heisst Treue
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Mike Amos
Meine Ehre Heisst Treue
For those who don't know, Warhorse, aka Mike Amos, is one of our chief graphics artists for SPWAW. Many of the tanks, infantry and other features were done by Mike.
A former Marine, well Mike is still a Marine,
, he has an artistic streak as wide as the Pacific ocean. He, Nick Papp, Darwin Barnes, and a few others gave us these much improved graphics.
I remember bitching about the King Tiger, I think it was. In about two hours Mike was knocking at my electronic door with a King Tiger that looked like I could climb in and drive away (if I were 1/4 inch tall
:Rolleyes:
We want all that artwork. We gotta get a Goliath or two in there two, guys.
Good suggestions. Man this list is getting ponderous, but we'll do what we can.
Great stuff, by the way!
Wild Bill
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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games
A former Marine, well Mike is still a Marine,

I remember bitching about the King Tiger, I think it was. In about two hours Mike was knocking at my electronic door with a King Tiger that looked like I could climb in and drive away (if I were 1/4 inch tall
:Rolleyes:
We want all that artwork. We gotta get a Goliath or two in there two, guys.
Good suggestions. Man this list is getting ponderous, but we'll do what we can.
Great stuff, by the way!
Wild Bill
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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

In Arduis Fidelis
Wild Bill Wilder
Independent Game Consultant
I like your game, but it is rather time consuming! 
I would like two aditional features:
1. Is should be possible to give a set of waypoints to a formation, turn it to computer control, and then automatical turn of computer control and report to me when the last waypoint is reached. In that way I could just tell a formation on the wrong end of the map where two go, and how to get there, and forget about it, without having it do something stupid if it reaches its destination.
2. A fetaure I think is already available in the deployment stage:
The possibility to see what hexes are visible from a given hex.
Best regards JR
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I would like two aditional features:
1. Is should be possible to give a set of waypoints to a formation, turn it to computer control, and then automatical turn of computer control and report to me when the last waypoint is reached. In that way I could just tell a formation on the wrong end of the map where two go, and how to get there, and forget about it, without having it do something stupid if it reaches its destination.
2. A fetaure I think is already available in the deployment stage:
The possibility to see what hexes are visible from a given hex.
Best regards JR
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More realistic movement:
- Tank riders can fall off if you go too fast over rought terain / turn too sharply / etc.
- Tank riders jumping off a vehicle going 20 miles an hour should not be able to close assault that turn (if not take a few broken bones, etc.)
- Vihicles shouldn't start each turn with a move of 0. Should take a bit of time to slow down if all movement points are used, and if you are trying to get accross a hot zone, you want to keep the momentum / speed (I havn't tested this, but I am assuming moving targets are harder to hit.)
- A way to re-create move & stop (go only 1/3 of movement in one turn, and then can fire as if stationary by giving up rest of movement?) And go at full speed for the shorter distance to make yourself harder to hit. Or is the turn assumed to be too short for this?
- Able to get to "full speed" quicker to make the tank harder to hit.
- Maybe a 'Weave Pattern Alpha" option
: reduces max movement, but assumes zig/zagging withint the 50yard hexes (forget if it is feet of yard) to make the tank harder to hit. Or hec, don't even know if this _would_ make a tank harder to hit in WW II combat.
- Tank riders can fall off if you go too fast over rought terain / turn too sharply / etc.
- Tank riders jumping off a vehicle going 20 miles an hour should not be able to close assault that turn (if not take a few broken bones, etc.)
- Vihicles shouldn't start each turn with a move of 0. Should take a bit of time to slow down if all movement points are used, and if you are trying to get accross a hot zone, you want to keep the momentum / speed (I havn't tested this, but I am assuming moving targets are harder to hit.)
- A way to re-create move & stop (go only 1/3 of movement in one turn, and then can fire as if stationary by giving up rest of movement?) And go at full speed for the shorter distance to make yourself harder to hit. Or is the turn assumed to be too short for this?
- Able to get to "full speed" quicker to make the tank harder to hit.
- Maybe a 'Weave Pattern Alpha" option

Without a doubt in my mind, SP has the most versatility of any wargame out there, past or present. I've played a bunch of them in my time.
Its amazing! And from the editor you can do even more. The preferences are great.
BUT, I suppose more could be done. That is why we are doing this, isn't it?
I can see the idea of putting units under computer control with waypoints. That can be done in the editor for both sides by the way prior to issuing a scenario.
In my personal testing, the first one is a computer versus computer. After the first test, I play each side once at least.
In the first test, its kinda like watching a war movie. You are watching the computer fight itself. And if you have put in waypoints, etc, you can see how the computer executes. Its pretty fascinating...
Wild Bill
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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games
Its amazing! And from the editor you can do even more. The preferences are great.
BUT, I suppose more could be done. That is why we are doing this, isn't it?
I can see the idea of putting units under computer control with waypoints. That can be done in the editor for both sides by the way prior to issuing a scenario.
In my personal testing, the first one is a computer versus computer. After the first test, I play each side once at least.
In the first test, its kinda like watching a war movie. You are watching the computer fight itself. And if you have put in waypoints, etc, you can see how the computer executes. Its pretty fascinating...
Wild Bill
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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

In Arduis Fidelis
Wild Bill Wilder
Independent Game Consultant
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wild Bill:
Suppose another tactical wargame on the scale of Steel Panthers, single tanks-vehicles, squads, teams, and single artillery units were going to come out in a year or so.
Tell me what you would like included. Please try to say each thing in one sentence. You can mention as many as you think important. Just keep them short.
Hi Wild Bill,
There are some really great ideas listed here already. I would only add that I would like the option of being able to create a saveable core force template which could be used in any scenario or campaign. I prefer campaigns, historic or not. I get a little attached to my boys after a few battles and hate having to "bloody" a group of green FNGs every time I start a new campaign. I would also like to have experimental weapons such as a Panther II (although you can put one together in the OOB editor). Thanks again for great game.
Scott
Suppose another tactical wargame on the scale of Steel Panthers, single tanks-vehicles, squads, teams, and single artillery units were going to come out in a year or so.
Tell me what you would like included. Please try to say each thing in one sentence. You can mention as many as you think important. Just keep them short.
Hi Wild Bill,
There are some really great ideas listed here already. I would only add that I would like the option of being able to create a saveable core force template which could be used in any scenario or campaign. I prefer campaigns, historic or not. I get a little attached to my boys after a few battles and hate having to "bloody" a group of green FNGs every time I start a new campaign. I would also like to have experimental weapons such as a Panther II (although you can put one together in the OOB editor). Thanks again for great game.
Scott
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I also would like to review the map after the battle. In line with this I would like to be given the option to carry on the battle after the set time limit has expired - perhaps only with scenarios.
Infantry wise - I would like to have various options for movement. Such as a column for faster movement, open spread for attack etc.
I'm still thinking on the rest.
Cheers
Nik
I also would like to review the map after the battle. In line with this I would like to be given the option to carry on the battle after the set time limit has expired - perhaps only with scenarios.
Infantry wise - I would like to have various options for movement. Such as a column for faster movement, open spread for attack etc.
I'm still thinking on the rest.
Cheers
Nik
Nik