U.S. Artillery

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 3:05 am

Actually each turn is "several" (ie like 2-5 minutes). YEs delays should be longer, but that would require rewriting the whole arty routine...will have to wait for CL...

Grumble · Post by **Grumble** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 3:22 am

Perhaps the onboard 105mms are there to simulate divisional arty "dedicated" to the RCT? These over and above the other Divisional and Corps weapons.
The issue with the Finns' arty also concerns logistics. In the Winter War, from what I've researched, arty and mortar rounds were in relatively short supply and were only used for the most critical shoots.
The "US system" was pretty lavish with its ammo expenditure as Mr Holt explains above. If the Finns made this work, I'm sure it would have been not until in the Mid-Late Continuation War when arty ammunition was in greater supply.
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AmmoSgt · Post by **AmmoSgt** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 5:34 am

I think it would be great to have artillery modeled as correctly as possible by national doctrine ..although i doubt many would be pleased with the 10 to 12 minute delay for the Germans ..
Another critical Factor is who could call in the arty .. and the commo net that would be used .. would be nice to see that properly modeled
http://www.peakpeak.com/~darylpoe/tanks/artillery/doctrine.html

JTGEN · Post by **JTGEN** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 5:57 pm

The problem is that I do not see any reason why US artillery makes that fire come faster than finnish in continuation war. As the table in the link says, the ammo situation was wery good at the start of continuation war, and I remember firing some of wartime ammo still in the 90's. If I remember right(i have no source at hand) ammo was not te problem in continuation war.

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:06 pm

The Lessons Learned indicate that communications were a big problem, and it is still not clear if the "charts" were made up for specific positions, or were generically applied to gridded maps in a universal manner?

Delays are meant to represent "generic" levels of C2 delay, not a function of ammo availability

Arto · Post by **Arto** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:56 pm

Sami:
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Sami · Post by **Sami** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:09 pm

Originally posted by Arto:
Sami:
Are you still having problems with that server?

- Yep, those a%%holes at SiteTurn (the provider)don't know what customer support means...
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Sami · Post by **Sami** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:17 pm

Originally posted by Grumble:
The issue with the Finns' arty also concerns logistics. In the Winter War, from what I've researched, arty and mortar rounds were in relatively short supply and were only used for the most critical shoots.
The "US system" was pretty lavish with its ammo expenditure as Mr Holt explains above. If the Finns made this work, I'm sure it would have been not until in the Mid-Late Continuation War when arty ammunition was in greater supply.
My 2x Pennia

Hello Grumble,

The chronic shortage of shells was removed in the intense arming-phase of the inter-war period. When the Continuation War started, the artillery didn't lack shells. There were some cases when arty officers (thanks to the Winter War when preserving shells was critical and thus "teached" to the arty officers) ordered sometimes to fire shorter fire missions than they could have. But it occurred only in the first month of the war.

As a small curiosity, I add these expenditure figures:

- The Finnish artillery fired, during the Winter War, some 486 000 shells (all calibres included).

- In the attack phase of 1941, the Finnish artillery fired some 1 972 000 shells

- During the “Trench-war phase” (early 1942- summer 1944) some 1 571 000 shells

- During June-August 1944, some 1 101 000 shells.

So nearly 2 million shells while attacking (due to the rapid advance, some of the arty was on the move, i.e. not taking part) in 1941+first month of 1942. So the situation was totally different from early 1941 onwards. Or don't you agree?

Cheers,
Sami

Grumble · Post by **Grumble** » Sat Aug 18, 2001 12:14 am

That makes sense. I knew that munitions were less of a factor by 1942; didn't know about the situation from JUly - December 1941.
thanks,

sven · Post by **sven** » Mon Mar 25, 2002 9:09 am

Originally posted by JTGEN
The problem is that I do not see any reason why US artillery makes that fire come faster than finnish in continuation war. As the table in the link says, the ammo situation was wery good at the start of continuation war, and I remember firing some of wartime ammo still in the 90's. If I remember right(i have no source at hand) ammo was not te problem in continuation war.

Radios.