An Aussie Beta Affair - Luskan V Raver!!!

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Thu May 27, 2004 12:16 am

Burma is a very interesting place. If you all look at the screenie that I posted further up the thread you will notice that the Allied player has a few problems in regards to defence. Rangoon is not the key to Burma, but a Japanese player must take it or risk having his supply lines cut. The Allies must hold all of the following Akyab, Pagan and Mandalay. Doing so tends to spread your forces rather thin but failing to defend these three areas allows the Jap access to burma.

norsemanjs · Post by **norsemanjs** » Thu May 27, 2004 1:50 am

Looks like there are 2 Morotai's one near Sulawesi west of Menado and one east of Menado.

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Thu May 27, 2004 2:09 am

The problem with Rangoon is loosing means that your troops get seriously creamed. The retreat path is also the direction Japan comes in. What happens is your troops end up swimming east and end up behind the lines with no supply and nowhere to go to get back to supply.

Think *very* carefully about the risks of a failed Rangoon. Had you instead held at Moulmein, you can retreat and save your troops by not getting cut off and fight all the way back to Mandalay.

Study the map well, noting the rail, road and trail network. It dictates your plan of action. Troops above the trail network are faster to send to Chandpur and transported to Rangoon. The trail movement speeds are brutal.

Capt. Harlock · Post by **Capt. Harlock** » Thu May 27, 2004 4:16 am

Raver has betties???????!!!! HOpe not . . .

Shimatta! I was trying to do too many things at once last evening....

sven6345789 · Post by **sven6345789** » Thu May 27, 2004 8:16 am

Burma:
I don't no the OOB but what if the japanes comes via Rahaeng? wouldn't the troops at Moulmein be cut of too?

Luskan · Post by **Luskan** » Thu May 27, 2004 10:34 am

Foolish foolish Raver. Not only is he thinking that I'm not still in the Indian ocean, he's thinking that he can get some firepower up to Moulmein and hit me. Ships were spotted by my float planes and my kates pounced. I hammered about ten transports at Changpur (sinking at least half) and killed over 500 allied troops trapped on the transports (Raver was unloading reinforcements up there in case I tried to hop Rangoon - and to be honest I was thinking about it), and a small surface combat TF at Diamond Harbour got bombed (outside torp range) and I beat up a CLAA, and a few dds (although there is a CA there).

See what happens next turn!

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Thu May 27, 2004 12:03 pm

Well it is now official....Luskan owns the Indian Ocean[:(] He is able to steam where ever and when ever he wants and the is bugger all that I can do about it. I had a Squadron of Hurricanes at Chandpur and he just cut trough them as if they were not there ! I lost 10 in that little encounter ( the combat report is somewhat over blown)! But it must be said that these were VERY green pilots with exp of 55 to 56. With very little effort (I think there are only three IJN CVEs) Luskan has succeded in winning a large part of the sea, and he who controls the sea, controls the land. My ONLY hope is that he will grow tried of this and quit the area.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/04/42

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ASW attack at 46,47

Japanese Ships
TK Akatsuki Maru
PC Seki Maru #2
MSW Senyu Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS Narwhal

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Day Air attack on Sasebo 2nd SNLF, at 31,64

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 4
Martin 139 x 3

no losses

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Brewster 339D bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
1 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 84th Chinese Corps, at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6
Ki-51 Sonia x 24

no losses

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 27,31

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 4

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Diamond Harbor at 28,23

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
B5N Kate x 63
E13A1 Jake x 20

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 12 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Empire Elk, Bomb hits 1
AK Empire Antelope, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Oryx, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Waterhen, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
TK Empire Steel, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
TK Empire Coral, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Resistance, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Homer, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Virginian, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
TK Empire Amethyst, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
435 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 27,31

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 3

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Moulmein at 29,35

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 3

no losses

Japanese Ships
DD Kamo, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Chandpur at 30,25

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 34
B5N Kate x 60
E13A1 Jake x 20

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 19 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Dauntless, Bomb hits 3
AK Jalatarang, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
CA Cornwall, Bomb hits 4
CLAA Capetown, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
8 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
2 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
9 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
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ASW attack at 48,46

Japanese Ships
DD Yamagumo
MSW W.12

Allied Ships
SS KXVI, hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Ground combat at Kweilin

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 136181 troops, 1168 guns, 156 vehicles

Defending force 28891 troops, 57 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kweilin base !!!

Japanese ground losses:
555 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1374 casualties reported
Guns lost 34

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at 46,36

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 33427 troops, 453 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 14444 troops, 49 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 172 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
101 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
418 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at 48,37

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 18789 troops, 303 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 653 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 1474 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
59 casualties reported

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3851 troops, 122 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 57534 troops, 681 guns, 247 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12520 troops, 193 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 75638 troops, 754 guns, 25 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

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Ground combat at Balikpapan

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1714 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2439 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
76 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Tuguegarao

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6721 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 13507 troops, 177 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Clark Field

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 43408 troops, 618 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 71876 troops, 400 guns, 312 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
139 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Ron Saueracker · Post by **Ron Saueracker** » Thu May 27, 2004 12:23 pm

I'm waiting for Mogami to comment on your "control of the sea" comment. Mogami bait![:D]

Speedysteve · Post by **Speedysteve** » Thu May 27, 2004 12:45 pm

Did I see KI-44 Tojo's in action?!?

Didn't think they were available at this time?

Luskan · Post by **Luskan** » Thu May 27, 2004 1:12 pm

I think there was the one experimental squadron - they aren't mass producable yet?

Well Raver tried to hide - in port. That old gamey tactic isn't going to work with me. I didn't waste any planes doing this - I sent in 3 bbs. Now while the coastal defence battery only fired 34 shots back, they sank 1 of my dds and messed up another.

Fortunately my 3 bbs hit back, wiped out almost 500 troops in the overcrowded and underdefended port area, and pounded a heap of Raver's ships (especially the cornwall and dauntless) without them even getting to fire a shot back. Didn't get many planes on the ground unfortunately.

Raver is crazy - Chandpur and Diamond Harbour are entirely too close to my zone of control to be keeping 30+ships (transports mostly) in port. Especially when he doesn't have any real air cover to speak of. A few more bombardments and they'll only be fit for scrap - well worth the few destroyers it will cost me.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/05/42

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ASW attack at 46,47

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 21
MSW Asahi Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS Narwhal

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TF 62 encounters mine field at Chandpur (30,25)

Japanese Ships
DD Natsushio
DD Sawakaze
DD Kari
DD Sagi
DD Shirayuki
DD Fubuki

Allied Ships
SS Sargo, and is sunk

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Day Air attack on Hanoi , at 36,37

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 21

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P-40E Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Chandpur at 30,25

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 6

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 34,71

Japanese Ships
MSW W.9
PC Shonan Maru #1

Allied Ships
SS Spearfish

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Sub attack at 53,45

Japanese Ships
AK Goyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PC Kyo Maru #12
MSW Toshi Maru #1

Allied Ships
SS Grampus

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Naval bombardment of Chandpur, at 30,25 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied aircraft

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 6 destroyed, 8 damaged

34 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Natsushio, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sawakaze
DD Kuroshio
DD Kari
DD Sagi, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
DD Murakumo
DD Shirayuki
DD Oyashio
DD Isonami
DD Hatsushima
DD Usugumo
DD Fubuki
BB Hyuga
CL Kitakami
BB Ise
BB Nagato

Allied Ships
AK Montanan, Shell hits 3, heavy damage
AK Washingtonian, Shell hits 1
CA Cornwall, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Bordvik, Shell hits 1
CL Dauntless, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Indora, Shell hits 1
AK Jalatarang, Shell hits 1, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
588 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 30
Port hits 5

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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3868 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 59502 troops, 665 guns, 220 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
92 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12632 troops, 194 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 75856 troops, 755 guns, 26 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Ground combat at Balikpapan

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1648 troops, 37 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2337 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Tuguegarao

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6756 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 13524 troops, 177 guns, 0 vehicles

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Ground combat at Clark Field

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 43549 troops, 621 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 72000 troops, 398 guns, 314 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Radzy · Post by **Radzy** » Thu May 27, 2004 1:26 pm

ORIGINAL: Speedy
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6

Did I see KI-44 Tojo's in action?!?

Didn't think they were available at this time?

Must be some kind of bug (or maybe wrong database insertion). According to informations I own, first Tojos or Shokis in number of 9 planes (pre-production models and two prototypes) were given for tests in Sep 1941 to Kawasemi Butai experimental squadron. They were slow with small climbrate, far below the expectations.

Those IIb version which participated in attack entered duty in August 1942 (at least then first of them were produced)...

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Thu May 27, 2004 11:29 pm

Yeah like it is my CHOICE to have them there[8|] They were in port on a red cross mission to supply food and medical equipment to the local population The IJN CVs were spotted and the Harbour Master ordered all AKs to stay in port.........trying to flee and they would have been eaten alive by the Kates. Luskan puts my between a rock and a hard place and then calls me crazy ![:@] One of these days bananananaa boy you are going to get skinned and skinned good!

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Thu May 27, 2004 11:33 pm

Luskan and I have pushed past about five rebuilds in the interest of keeping the AAR alive, and as such are seening a few strange things with the art work and the database. We should have restarted two builds ago but are still getting a playable game so we decided to keep going for the interest of the readers of this thread. As always remember that this is a BETA AAR.[:)]

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Fri May 28, 2004 2:44 am

And a damn entertaining one I might add. I hope the two of you hook up for the big show again when it launches...

mogami · Post by **mogami** » Fri May 28, 2004 3:30 am

Hi, There is a group of 9 Tojo at start of game. They are the group sent to China to test the aircraft in combat before production began. Because WITP does not include every type of a particular aircraft they are the later version that goes into production rather then the early version that did the tests. But there were 9 Tojo in combat in 1941 so there they are. (They are the best fighters the Japanese have in China unless the player sends in groups from outside. there are no replacements for these aircraft so use them wisely)

Radzy · Post by **Radzy** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:01 am

Yes, those Tojos in 1941 were in Kawasemi Butai experimental squadron.

Radzy · Post by **Radzy** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:08 am

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

Luskan and I have pushed past about five rebuilds in the interest of keeping the AAR alive, and as such are seening a few strange things with the art work and the database. We should have restarted two builds ago but are still getting a playable game so we decided to keep going for the interest of the readers of this thread. As always remember that this is a BETA AAR.[:)]

Oh... silly I forgot about the possibility to switch aircraft production and planes' replacement in the game.
In materials I own about japanese planes it is mentioned that Ki-44 IIb were one of few fighters which were a real threat to the B-29s. So it's obvious the well thinking player would like them to have wherever it's possible (especially in the air) [:)]. Ehhh need some caffeine...

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:33 am

Ok I am going to throw this question out to you guys and see what you come up with.

How can I stop, circumvent even, Luskan control of the Bay of Bengal ? Using US fleet carriers is out of the question as they are currently on the West coast of the US (and even if I did want to use them I would have to steam all the way across the Pacfic, then under Australia and into the Indian Ocean, and that would be a good month of steaming not allowing to bunkering.
The RN has HMS Hermes on hand but with nothing but Gladiators and Swordfish it would be a one sided contest. I have some MRBs but so far they have proved to be uneffective, and without fighter support they bulk at flying a naval attck mission. The fighters that I do have are next to useless, in the form of Hurricanes that simply don't have the legs to carry the battle out to sea, never mind the fact that they have been totally out classed in ari to air fights over land.

I need to regain my sea lanes to help support Rangoon and also supply Akyab which will be the next big battle in Burma after Rangoon.

I already have an idea as to what I intend to do, but thought it would be fun to see what else your guys come up with.

stubby331 · Post by **stubby331** » Fri May 28, 2004 8:47 am

How long before you can upgrade to Spitfires?

stubby331 · Post by **stubby331** » Fri May 28, 2004 8:59 am

Also, What is the upgrade path for the Gladiators and Swordfish of the FAA?

I had an idea that you could send the Hermes back to blighty for a refit/upgrade and leave the airproups based somewhere handy.

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