I notice that you took advantage of the Japanese opening moves.
After all, you did know exactly where there army and navy units would attack.
I believe the only true way, to play as the allies against the Japanese AI, is too have no first round movement or deployment, for the allies.
On December 7, 1941 all allied combat units can react to attack, just not make any war plans for engagement.
I have to agree with this.
The Japanese achieved their stunning success because of surprise. Against the AI, the Allied player should not be able to conduct any offensive operations in the opening move. Or at least provide this as an option to toggle. [:)]
ORIGINAL: pad152
I'm not saying the game should be delayed, but more testing vs the AI should be done and the high operational loss should be looked at for the patch.
Pad and VR
I am now officially baffled I fail to see what you think is wrong with the Japanese operational losses? Look at the total number of sorties flown the operational losses are running at 0.17% that is less than 2/10ths of 1 percent of all sorties flown. Amazingly low as compared to the historical op-loss rate.
A few things to keep in mind are the AI tends to fly missions at longer range; the AI also will fly many more missions than a human would ever do and a combat loss or operational loss does not mean the automatic loss of the pilot. Many more pilots survive in Witp than in UV. Also do not fixate on a single number look at the whole picture.
Hi.
The Japanese pilots are more experienced, yet suffer a higher non-combat loss rate than the Allies (who were very inexperienced).
This may be due to Mr. Frag's great knowledge of the game and his proper management of his aircarft.
But this is the cream of IJN aircraft and pilots. If non-combat in the first 3 months of the war takes this high a toll, then what happens when the poorly trained IJN pilots come on board?
At Midway, Japan's loss of 275 aircraft and pilots was considered a disaster. Yet, after 3 months, it has lost 414 aircraft for non-combat reasons.
This is what players are concerned about: the AI's ability to properly manage its aircraft, and to have proper CV coverage.
I notice that you took advantage of the Japanese opening moves.
Just what exactly are you talking about? I did not take advantage of anything. You can't. I have fought for each and every piece of real estate, loosing ships and troops that I could have saved had I run.
Historical first turn means exactly that.
The game starts and you can't do anything until Dec 8th.
At Midway, Japan's loss of 275 aircraft and pilots was considered a disaster.
The disaster was not the number of men and machines lost, rather the disaster was which particular men and machines they were, i.e. the best that Japan had, and irreplacable...had 275 IJA bombers been lost in China in 6/42 (and for all I know there may have been), we would not be speaking of it today.
Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
13 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 33,30
Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16
Blenheim I x 9
Blenheim IV x 18
Hudson I x 10
Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
13 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 26,65
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 4
no losses
Allied aircraft losses
CW-21B Demon: 3 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 25,66
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 3
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Kaedesan Maru
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,58
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 6
Vildebeest IV x 3
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Hokoku Maru, Bomb hits 1
AP Montevideo Maru
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Day Air attack on Jambi , at 20,53
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 18
Ki-48 Lily x 13
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
B5N Kate x 11
no losses
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B5N Kate bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
Ki-49 Helen x 14
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
no losses
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B5N Kate bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Coastal Gun Battalion, at 22,65
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
B5N Kate x 42
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Day Air attack on 6th Coastal Gun Battalion, at 22,65
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
G4M1 Betty x 21
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Day Air attack on 6th Coastal Gun Battalion, at 22,65
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
G3M Nell x 6
G4M1 Betty x 12
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on Molukken Garrison Battalion, at 39,73
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 24
no losses
Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on Molukken Garrison Battalion, at 39,73
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 12
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 4
no losses
Japanese Ships
PG Kantori Maru
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Day Air attack on TF at 27,66
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 3
no losses
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Tama Maru #2, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
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Sub attack at 52,41
Japanese Ships
AK Taki Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS O16
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Ground combat at Amboina
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 862 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1328 troops, 10 guns, 1 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0
Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Mandalay
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 69915 troops, 519 guns, 118 vehicles
Defending force 97903 troops, 1049 guns, 871 vehicles
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Ground combat at Mandalay
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 82640 troops, 968 guns, 749 vehicles
Defending force 69915 troops, 519 guns, 118 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
130 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
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Ground combat at Soerabaja
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Coastal Guns at Batavia, 19,59, firing at TF 247
TF 247 troops unloading over beach at Batavia, 19,59
Japanese ground losses:
78 casualties reported
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 44
TF 44 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
62 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AK Mie Maru, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
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Sub attack at 51,42
Japanese Ships
APD APD-39
MSW Choun Maru #18
DD Tokitsukaze
Allied Ships
SS Triton
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Day Air attack on Batavia , at 19,59
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 14
Ki-21 Sally x 12
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged
Runway hits 1
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 33,30
Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 53
P-40B Tomahawk x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 9
Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
8 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
6 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 33,30
Japanese aircraft
Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16
Blenheim I x 11
Blenheim IV x 20
Hudson I x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
8 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
6 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Muntok at 21,55
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 2
Martin 139 x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 2 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Teiun Maru
AP Kagi Maru
AP Amakusa Maru
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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 47,36
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 17
Ki-51 Sonia x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 5 damaged
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3
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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 8
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7
Ki-51 Sonia x 9
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 186
TF 186 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
52 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Coastal Guns at Batavia, 19,59, firing at TF 247
TF 247 troops unloading over beach at Batavia, 19,59
Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
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Coastal Guns at Batavia, 19,59, firing at TF 247
TF 247 troops unloading over beach at Batavia, 19,59
100 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Montevideo Maru, Shell hits 1
AP Hokoku Maru
Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
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Sub attack at 52,41
Japanese Ships
AP Kashiwa Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
Allied Ships
SS O16
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Sub attack at 53,42
Japanese Ships
AK Nanko Maru
Allied Ships
SS Nautilus
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Coastal Guns at Batavia, 19,59, firing at TF 247
TF 247 troops unloading over beach at Batavia, 19,59
49 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
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Sub attack at 49,64
Japanese Ships
TK Juko Maru
Allied Ships
SS Grampus
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 33,30
Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 55
P-40B Tomahawk x 10
P-40E Warhawk x 12
Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
8 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,57
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 5
no losses
Japanese Ships
AK Kuramasan Maru
AP Senkai Maru
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,57
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 3
Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 2
Hawk 75A x 6
Vildebeest IV x 3
Martin 139 x 3
no losses
Allied aircraft losses
Vildebeest IV: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Bandoeng Maru
AP Heizan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Tamatsu Maru
AK Sakito Maru
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Day Air attack on 6th Dutch Regiment, at 22,65
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged
Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 25,66
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 6
no losses
Japanese Ships
AK Mie Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Soerabaja at 22,65
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 3
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Kaedesan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF, near Batavia at 19,59
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 3
Martin 139 x 3
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Hokoku Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
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Sub attack at 49,45
Japanese Ships
TK Koryo Maru, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS Gato
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Ground combat at Mandalay
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 69251 troops, 513 guns, 120 vehicles
Defending force 98992 troops, 1090 guns, 869 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Sag Sag
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 442 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Sag Sag base !!!
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Ground combat at Mandalay
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 83632 troops, 1013 guns, 746 vehicles
Defending force 69251 troops, 513 guns, 120 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
209 casualties reported
Guns lost 13
Vehicles lost 1
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Ground combat at Batavia
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 7392 troops, 102 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 4933 troops, 21 guns, 1 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1
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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 3900 troops, 35 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1134 troops, 25 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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ASW attack at 49,45
Japanese Ships
MSW Takasago Maru
MSW Banshu Maru #8
Allied Ships
SS Gato
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ASW attack at 31,65
Japanese Ships
MSW Kongo Maru #2
MSW Bisan Baru
Allied Ships
SS KXIV
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Sub attack at 53,40
Japanese Ships
AP Hawaii Maru
Allied Ships
SS O16
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Sub attack at 28,66
Japanese Ships
AK Tatuno Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS KXII
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Sub attack at 45,48
Japanese Ships
AP Shoan Maru
Allied Ships
SS O20
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Day Air attack on Kure 2nd SNLF, at 27,64
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 3
no losses
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 6 destroyed
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Day Air attack on 18th Division, at 33,30
Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 52
P-40B Tomahawk x 6
P-40E Warhawk x 13
Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 6 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
8 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
12 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on 18th Division, at 33,30
Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 2
Blenheim IV x 14
Hudson I x 3
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
8 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
12 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 33,30
Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 17
Blenheim I x 9
Blenheim IV x 8
Hudson I x 7
I'll give you credit for the high ship loss.
Japan in air to air combat lost 653 vs 362 aircraft. This is when Japan is the best air power in the Pacific, the allies are already wining the air war!
Japan has lost over a 1300 aircraft and over 200 ships in the first 3 months of the war, this makes midway look like a bump in the road!
The AI is not managing it's air power correctly! Japan's airpower will be come totally ineffective by Jume of 42, long before the P38's or F4U's show up.
Japan lost 88 aircraft in an evil little base jump just outside Singapore. Japan has also lost a couple hundred aircraft at Mandalay, which would fall to most of you, but I knew what was coming so I had every unit there was in India already on the way. Had I not pulled two P-40B groups out of PI and stuck them there and managed to get them upgraded, Japan would have steam rolled over me. I am currently keeping at least two of the divisions unable to attack each turn with ground attacks with fighter-bombers. Had I not saved *every* base unit from Victoria Point all the way up, I would not be able to have the size of the air groups here and the AI would have killed me quickly.
The AI expected to win here, and it didn't. Based on the distances involved, it takes a *long* time to bring in more troops. In the mean time, I have a major advantage of supply, support, air support, constant bombing from multiple bases and range is most certainly on my side as I am attacking in the hex I am in.
I should probably be playing on a harder level, but you guys wanted to see the AI which has completely kicked me out of the SRA and I theoretically know what I am doing. [:D]
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Sub attack at 26,65
Japanese Ships
AK Nako Maru
Allied Ships
SS KXIV
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Sub attack at 55,42
Japanese Ships
AP Kuraido Maru, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS Haddock, hits 4, on fire
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Sub attack at 26,65
Japanese Ships
AK Nako Maru
Allied Ships
SS KXIV
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TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Ormoc, 43,57
Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 127
TF 127 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
237 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
PG Kantori Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AP Ueizuru Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kasima Maru, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
430 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1
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Sub attack at 52,42
Japanese Ships
AP Jinshu Maru
PC Nichi Maru #1
PG Shinko Maru #5
PG Shinko Maru #3
Allied Ships
SS Triton
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Day Air attack on TF, near Soerabaja at 22,65
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 8
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Kasima Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Ueizuru Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Konan Maru
Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 28,67
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 4
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Taiho Maru
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Day Air attack on Medan , at 20,45
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 17
Ki-48 Lily x 27
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
no losses
Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Runway hits 2
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Day Air attack on 6th Dutch Regiment, at 22,65
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
G4M1 Betty x 21
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Day Air attack on 18th UK Division, at 33,30
Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 7
G4M1 Betty x 21
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 26
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 127
TF 127 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
540 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Nikki Maru, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AP Palao Maru, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
AP Ueizuru Maru, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tofuku Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
AP Tatsuwa Maru, Shell hits 11, on fire
AP Husimi Maru, Shell hits 16, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
661 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 127
TF 127 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
274 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AK Toyama Maru, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tofuku Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
AP Tatsuwa Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
270 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 9
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Sub attack near Soerabaja at 22,65
Japanese Ships
AP Konan Maru, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS KXIV
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 111
TF 111 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 120
TF 120 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
26 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
82 casualties reported
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 127
TF 127 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
139 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on 18th Division, at 33,30
Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 59
P-40B Tomahawk x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 14
Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 7 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
12 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on 18th Division, at 33,30
Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 15
Blenheim I x 6
Blenheim IV x 11
Hudson I x 9
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
12 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 33,30
Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 3
Blenheim I x 4
Blenheim IV x 9
Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Day Air attack on TF, near Soerabaja at 22,65
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 3
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Kasima Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x CW-21B Demon bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 4
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP La Plata Maru
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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 47,36
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 16
Ki-51 Sonia x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 4
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Day Air attack on Medan , at 20,45
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 4
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 18
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Ki-15 Babs x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on 26th Indian Division, at 33,30
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
G3M Nell x 5
G4M1 Betty x 12
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 25
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Day Air attack on TF at 28,65
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 3
no losses
Allied aircraft losses
CW-21B Demon: 4 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF, near Soerabaja at 22,65
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 3
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Arizana Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x CW-21B Demon bombing at 2000 feet
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Sub attack at 62,44
Japanese Ships
TK Nissyo Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire
Allied Ships
SS Grayback, hits 2
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Ground combat at Mandalay
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 67705 troops, 482 guns, 121 vehicles
Defending force 99052 troops, 1089 guns, 873 vehicles
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Ground combat at Mandalay
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 83667 troops, 1010 guns, 749 vehicles
Defending force 67705 troops, 482 guns, 121 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
286 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 1
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Ground combat at Batavia
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 7385 troops, 101 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 4348 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 3986 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 14548 troops, 188 guns, 59 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at Ormoc
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 1341 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 34 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Ormoc base !!!
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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 11734 troops, 156 guns, 56 vehicles
Defending force 15141 troops, 83 guns, 10 vehicles
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 127
TF 127 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
165 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Arizana Maru, Shell hits 18, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
328 casualties reported
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 127
TF 127 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
118 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Kenzan Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
AP Chowa Maru, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
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Sub attack at 48,47
Japanese Ships
DD Arashio
Allied Ships
SS Searaven
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Coastal Guns at Soerabaja, 22,65, firing at TF 127
TF 127 troops unloading over beach at Soerabaja, 22,65
52 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
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Coastal Guns at Batavia, 19,59, firing at TF 252
TF 252 troops unloading over beach at Batavia, 19,59
26 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Kaisho Maru, Shell hits 4
Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
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Sub attack at 45,43
Japanese Ships
AK Syozin Maru, Shell hits 2
Allied Ships
SS O16, hits 1
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Sub attack at 45,43
Japanese Ships
AK Syozin Maru
Allied Ships
SS Trout
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 33,30
Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 62
P-40B Tomahawk x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 15
Japanese ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
14 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
13 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
9 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
13 x Hurricane II attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,65
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 3
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Nikki Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x CW-21B Demon bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,65
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 2
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Jinsai Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x CW-21B Demon bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Batavia at 19,59
Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 2
Hawk 75A x 6
Vildebeest IV x 3
Martin 139 x 8
no losses
Japanese Ships
AK Hokuzyu Maru
AP Midori Maru
AP Miyako Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AP Koshu Maru #3
AP Chicago Maru
AP Kashiwara Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
2 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Hawk 75A bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Vildebeest IV launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 17
Ki-51 Sonia x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged
Runway hits 6
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
Ki-21 Sally x 11
Ki-49 Helen x 14
no losses
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Day Air attack on Cebu Island , at 42,58
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 15
Ki-30 Ann x 20
Ki-21 Sally x 6
Ki-49 Helen x 5
Ki-36 Ida x 1
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Day Air attack on 18th DAF Base Force, at 22,65
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Day Air attack on TF, near Palembang at 20,55
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 9
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 3
no losses
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Yuri Maru
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Day Air attack on TF at 24,61
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 3
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Kaedesan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,57
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 3
Martin 139 x 2
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 2 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Eihuku Maru
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Day Air attack on TF, near Batavia at 19,59
Allied aircraft
Vildebeest IV x 3
Allied aircraft losses
Vildebeest IV: 3 damaged
Japanese Ships
AS Heian Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Vildebeest IV launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,65
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 3
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Suzuya Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,60
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 2
no losses
Japanese Ships
AP Miike Maru, Bomb hits 1
Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Mandalay
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 67335 troops, 472 guns, 122 vehicles
Defending force 99862 troops, 1109 guns, 873 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Mandalay
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 84023 troops, 1024 guns, 747 vehicles
Defending force 67335 troops, 472 guns, 122 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
519 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 1
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Ground combat at Batavia
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 11510 troops, 159 guns, 13 vehicles
Defending force 4815 troops, 9 guns, 1 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
288 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1
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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 4049 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 15870 troops, 190 guns, 62 vehicles
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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 15472 troops, 188 guns, 62 vehicles
Defending force 15216 troops, 83 guns, 10 vehicles
Thank you for posting this AAR versus the computer, it is reall cool!
A few questions -
Why did Bataan fold so quickly? Should you not of made astand at clark Field? Was that the issue? Did you have any troops digging in in Bataan prior to the fall of clark? I saw Manila fall rather quickly to light Japaness forces, if you were going to put a stand outside of Battan wouldn't of Manila been better since it has its own suppy?
Looks like you are having a great game versus the AI! Is Burma the only place you have been able to hold up the AI? Looks like DEI and PI are folding faster than historical though.
Why did Bataan fold so quickly? Should you not of made astand at clark Field? Was that the issue? Did you have any troops digging in in Bataan prior to the fall of clark? I saw Manila fall rather quickly to light Japaness forces, if you were going to put a stand outside of Battan wouldn't of Manila been better since it has its own suppy?
Due to changes in the scenarios, Manila is no longer a supply source. Supply has been spread out more in PI. Another new rule that came into play is that the various resources stop producing once enemy units enter the hex. My logic was to pull supply into Clark and hold there as long as possible. It finally fell with less then 380 supply in the hex. Had I elected to hold in Bataan instead, I would have given up a size 6 air base to Japan to bombard me from. One of the reasons the ops losses are as high as they are is that I camped the big air bases forcing Japan to have the smaller ones and take higher losses. Frankly, I was surprised I held out that long.
Looks like you are having a great game versus the AI! Is Burma the only place you have been able to hold up the AI? Looks like DEI and PI are folding faster than historical though.
I am about to loose the rest of Java now, just too many troops coming from too many places. On the plus side, I have 5 CV's at Noumea and a large number of ships. 700,000 fuel is unloading at Sydney (finally!!!) so I can move ships around. I lost a bunch of ships due to fuel issues trying to get them down from Derby. There is a massive sub net around Oz. [:(]
Mandalay will hold. I am a few turns away from more armor and have two more divisions on the way.
A large number of troops are about a week out from Noumea. The USA is really held back by a lack of early game shipping. You have lots of AK's for hauling supply around and I have moved a couple million by now, but you are critically short on AP's to such a level that you can not risk them early. Due to the new way units are broken down in load factors, AP's are *mandatory* for moving troops while guns/tanks go on AK's until later when you get the million odd LS(?).
Japan lost 88 aircraft in an evil little base jump just outside Singapore. Japan has also lost a couple hundred aircraft at Mandalay, which would fall to most of you, but I knew what was coming so I had every unit there was in India already on the way. Had I not pulled two P-40B groups out of PI and stuck them there and managed to get them upgraded, Japan would have steam rolled over me. I am currently keeping at least two of the divisions unable to attack each turn with ground attacks with fighter-bombers. Had I not saved *every* base unit from Victoria Point all the way up, I would not be able to have the size of the air groups here and the AI would have killed me quickly.
The AI expected to win here, and it didn't. Based on the distances involved, it takes a *long* time to bring in more troops. In the mean time, I have a major advantage of supply, support, air support, constant bombing from multiple bases and range is most certainly on my side as I am attacking in the hex I am in.
I should probably be playing on a harder level, but you guys wanted to see the AI which has completely kicked me out of the SRA and I theoretically know what I am doing. [:D]
You're doing a great job so far.
Since you have played so many times before, I would expect you to do better over the IJN in the early phases of the Pacific War - heheh
Plus, there are two higher difficulty levels.
Please don't take my earlier posts as criticism - they are mainly "investigative" posts to find out how well the AI (as Japan) is doing.
In the first 3 months of the war in this AAR:
Japan has lost over 200 ships (historically they lost under 30 ships at this point in time).
Japan has lost over 1,300 aircraft (more than the Allies, and far higher than they did historically up to this point). This loss represents almost an 8% loss of total historical aircraft production for Japan in the years 1939, 1940 and 1941 combined.
The beginning of the war is when Japan should be at its best; what will happen in 1943?
So, Frag, what are your conclusions about the AI? More importantly, where are the U.S. carriers? You will be relieved from duty if you don't get them into action soon.
The two things I think I've seen from the AARs:
1. It looks like the air routine is bleeding Japan white. As mentioned, the AI is making attacks that a human wouldn't. I'm guessing high fatigue is causing a lot of the Japanese casualties. I'm with some of the other posters that think the air war may be over by the end of '42 at this rate. The following attacks are, I think, indicative of pushing too hard (granted, these are selected specifically to show what appear to be worn-down and exhausted units making air attacks):
ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/06/42
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Day Air attack on Soerabaja , at 22,65
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
G4M1 Betty x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
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Day Air attack on 18th UK Division, at 33,30
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
G3M Nell x 4
G4M1 Betty x 12
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 15
P-40E Warhawk x 31
2. I've seen a lot of AKs, minesweepers, and other riff-raff blown out of the water by some marginal LBA of the Allied. It looks to me like the AI has a tendency to send a lot of support stuff unescorted and without LRCAP into range of Allied air power.
But, I only think I see this. Frag would have a better idea.
