Today??

[Goblin]

It will be released before autumn I hope.

[KG Erwin]

Matrix' staff is off to the Origins Convention. You guys know the drill. No 8.2 yet. It's getting to the point that I'm tempted to release the OOBs independently, but guys, I can't do it. [:(]
Your moderator is getting very perturbed at the lack of progress, but I won't give up. The decision is not mine--it's all in the hands of the Matrix staff.

[hellcat]

KG with respect can we then please have someone from Matrix actually make a statement that they're willing to stick with, in all reasonableness this would be fair yes? Origins or not all they need to do is log in and post something official. No offense but this 'groundhog day' thing is starting to wear. (whatever smeghead says lol)

[Smeghead]

Heheh.. All I will say is:

[Orzel Bialy]

oh hum...I was just sitting around to kill some time and thought I'd swing by to see what was new with 8.2.

But to my dismay I see that it still isn't ready. [:(]

But I won't complain...or anything that may start a fuss.

Guess I'll just head off and get some [>:] or maybe the wife. [:'(]

I'll check back in July to see what's up.[:D]

[Kristo Vaher]

ORIGINAL: hellcat

KG with respect can we then please have someone from Matrix actually make a statement that they're willing to stick with, in all reasonableness this would be fair yes? Origins or not all they need to do is log in and post something official. No offense but this 'groundhog day' thing is starting to wear. (whatever smeghead says lol)

Yeah something official is definetly needed. Cause we got two so-called statements by KG Erwin, one saying that 8.2 is done and will come out in 25th of May most likely. On 6th of May we learned that only thing to be done is put the build together (and me being a game developer, though in art department, knows that this takes some time, but not that long).

Now its 12th

Oh well, at least there will be some fun between Portugal and Greece tonight!

[hellcat]

Gunny! You say MG are 'off to Origins' what 12 days before it starts? are they walking there? [:D] Origins begins on 24th and you say they're off on 12th? You also say you are peturbed by a lack of progress... does this mean we're not looking at 8.2 in June? Please clarify your statement

[Losqualo]

ORIGINAL: hellcat

Gunny! You say MG are 'off to Origins' what 12 days before it starts? are they walking there? [:D] Origins begins on 24th and you say they're off on 12th? You also say you are peturbed by a lack of progress... does this mean we're not looking at 8.2 in June? Please clarify your statement

Well I guess they have a lot of preparations to do. [:)]
And I bet Gunny doesn't now the exact date too. [:'(]

[hellcat]

and now... an anecdote...

I worked for a developer outfit once where the development team were constantly sidetracked off delivery milestones in order to work towards the next show the management were attending instead. Right up to the point of management being at the show and having the dev team ftp latest executables across to them. We even sent the same exe they already had in order to save a little time on working on the actual game and got the fantastic management response of 'Well done guys, it's really heading in the right direction now!' Eventually they worked it so 'the game' became merely a refinement of the demo a rather (as we say here) ass-about-face way of doing it but at least something could get done. The game got released (late and a buggy piece of crap) but the company died.

[KG Erwin]

ORIGINAL: Losqualo

ORIGINAL: hellcat

Gunny! You say MG are 'off to Origins' what 12 days before it starts? are they walking there? [:D] Origins begins on 24th and you say they're off on 12th? You also say you are peturbed by a lack of progress... does this mean we're not looking at 8.2 in June? Please clarify your statement

Well I guess they have a lot of preparations to do. [:)]
And I bet Gunny doesn't now the exact date too. [:'(]

Sorry guys, I didn't know the date of the Origins convention. Well, this clarifies things a bit, as I'm expecting a phone call from Dave H. sometime today. As I said earlier, the press release on 8.2 will be the official word. I'm making no more predictions. [:-]

However, if Dave calls, I'll remind him that my birthday is on June 17. [;)]

[KG Erwin]

Ok, here it is: a June release is out. The reason: more surprises are being added to the package. I can't tell you what they are, but David asked me if I was willing to wait until the details are worked out. I said yes, the gamers will understand, and I appreciate getting the chance to say yea or nay on doing this.

So, you guys will be upset with me, but the wait will be worth it. I'm sorry that I can't tell you more. I can't answer any questions about the enhancements.

[Losqualo]

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin
...
I said yes, the gamers will understand...

We keep trying!

But the biggest surprise would be if it would be released. [;)]

[wodin]

Well now I no not to keep checking here 5 times a day then.


I hope this surprise is worth the extra weight.

Quick question. Would it be possible to do a total graphic upgrade on SPWAW. Taking into account higher resolutions and 16/32 bit graphics. Could someone at home take this on or wouldit need a major code overhaul?

[Les_the_Sarge_9_1]

Did I hear correct, they are writing off June, forget it, it won't be out in June?

I realise you have gotten burned enough to look like a cinder Gunnny, but is that statement bankable?

Not out in June?

Just wondering, because I have a cd to mail out, and if 8.2 won't even be out this month, then waiting a couple of days more will accomplish nothing I guess.

[hellcat]

not out in June? UNBELIEVEABLE [:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]
you guys suck

[KG Erwin]

ORIGINAL: hellcat

not out in June? UNBELIEVEABLE [:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]
you guys suck

Sorry, hellcat. This was a decision I approved, so I'm prepared to deal with the consequences. The guys who know me may not understand this either, but you will love what we're working on. It's all for the love of the game, so I'm willing to deal with negative comments in the meantime.

[hellcat]

i don't think so, by the time 8.2 ever gets here MG with a lot of help from you and your spurious announcements will have put out any fire that was burning for 8.2

Gunny I would seriously consider your position as moderator of this forum. It's noty funny, it's not fair, it's not sensible and it's certainly not good business for MG to have behaved how they are behaving. It's like a small bunch of power mad nuts and control freaks holding the game and the community hostage.

This place used to be something good, now it stinks to high heaven. You're part of it.

I vote new mod

[Kristo Vaher]

Seems like my autumn release date prediction really MAY come into consideration

I just hope that with all of their "wow last time lets surprise everybody", doesnt end up with suc'kin bigtime and surprising the fun out of the game. Or that this surprise would not require patching later on, cause 8.2 was supposed to be the final.

Actually this surprise thing surprises me already. I mean, for final patches, most gamedevs usually JUST fix old problems and refit some things. Not add new stuff that may require patching of its own, but there wont be one.

Just afraid that something will be scre'wed u´p. As hard as gamedevs may try and say that it wont have problems, you cant be sure of it. Seen it happen too many times before.

Best luck to MG

[STEELER13]

Yo All,
I understand the disappointment...afterall I have 8 people waiting on 8.2 cd's, including 2 who asked for 8.0 and I convinced to wait for 8.2.
and as you know that holds up some donations. However once 8.2 is released I am sure many people will still respond and donate--in fact I am counting on 8.2 to bring in quite a bit for the DAV and Children's Hospitals.
As for KG erwin, he is just a spokesman who volunteers his time---I can't see getting mad at him for something out of his control. Hellcat, you can "vote" all you want, but the fact is your anger is misdirected, period.[:(]
I am sure MG has their reasons and unlike some companies, it isn't about the $$$, so chill and enjoy 8.01 for another month. I'm disappointed, too, but also realistic--about a month after it is out, everyone here will be playing it, probably wishing for more features, and completely forgetting all the time spent waiting for 8.2. [:)]

[Orzel Bialy]

Hellcat,

I can appreciate your frustration. Believe me...I am not happy with all this either. It's getting beyond silly anymore.

However I believe you are calling for the head of the messenger and it's not necessarily Gunny who should be called on the carpet for what has happened with 8.2. In fact unless I am wrong the OoB team turned over their work to MG...so they aren't part of the issue really.

With all due respect the questions being asked now by some community members should be answered by those above Gunny if you ask me.