First turn pearl harbour surprise attack

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RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack

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Now I played the thing again, pretty much with the settings above (2x Fighter escort, other Fighters+2x Dive Bomber strafe airports, rest of the DB and all Torpedo Bombers strafe port.

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed, 9 damaged
D3A Val: 30 destroyed, 59 damaged
B5N Kate: 46 destroyed, 66 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 5 damaged
P-26A: 12 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 30 destroyed, 23 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 59 destroyed, 51 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 17 destroyed, 20 damaged
PBY Catalina: 44 destroyed, 44 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 15 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 9 destroyed, 10 damaged
A-20B Boston: 8 destroyed, 12 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
ML Ogalala, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Ward, Bomb hits 1
AK Mercury, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT PT-42, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Tern, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AVD Thornton, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Downes, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Helm, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Laida, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire


ThreeBBs missing (Arizona, Pennsylvania, Tennessee) => sunk [:D]

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RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack

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ORIGINAL: WhoCares

Now I played the thing again, pretty much with the settings above (2x Fighter escort, other Fighters+2x Dive Bomber strafe airports, rest of the DB and all Torpedo Bombers strafe port.

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed, 9 damaged
D3A Val: 30 destroyed, 59 damaged
B5N Kate: 46 destroyed, 66 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 5 damaged
P-26A: 12 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 30 destroyed, 23 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 59 destroyed, 51 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 17 destroyed, 20 damaged
PBY Catalina: 44 destroyed, 44 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 15 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 9 destroyed, 10 damaged
A-20B Boston: 8 destroyed, 12 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
ML Ogalala, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Ward, Bomb hits 1
AK Mercury, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT PT-42, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Tern, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AVD Thornton, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Downes, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Helm, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Laida, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire


ThreeBBs missing (Arizona, Pennsylvania, Tennessee) => sunk [:D]

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How did you do that? Your screenprint I mean. I tried an attachment yesterday as a jpg file from a Tojo screenshot and the blasted thing claimed the file was too large (it did have a picture of the Tojo on it if that matters [it wasn't all text in other words]).
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RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack

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ORIGINAL: ltfightr

I have run the Pearl strikes about 12 times with the historical 1st turn on and dec 7thh suprise on assuming that if every thing is modeled correctly we should get historical like results.


Sorry to put some water in your wine (a French expression), but the benchmark as to the validity of the model is NOT the historical outcome. The historical outcome itself could be an "extreme" result....
So much WitP and so little time to play.... :-(

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RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack

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That may be true but it is what actually happened and therefore is a standard by which we can measure. We can argue what if's but the acctual damage can be assesed.
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RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22
ORIGINAL: WhoCares

Now I played the thing again, pretty much with the settings above (2x Fighter escort, other Fighters+2x Dive Bomber strafe airports, rest of the DB and all Torpedo Bombers strafe port.

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How did you do that? Your screenprint I mean. I tried an attachment yesterday as a jpg file from a Tojo screenshot and the blasted thing claimed the file was too large (it did have a picture of the Tojo on it if that matters [it wasn't all text in other words]).

There is a limit to images of 200kB, so you should reduce your image size or quality to upload it here.


and ontopic: running the turn with the same settings as above, except suprise disabled turned out with just a CL sunk, but still some BBs severly damaged (2x90, 4 more >60)
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RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack

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Ok, I just had to post this one. Owwww...

Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 76
D3A Val x 126
B5N Kate x 143

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
P-26A x 8
P-36A Mohawk x 5
P-40B Tomahawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed, 6 damaged
D3A Val: 25 destroyed, 32 damaged
B5N Kate: 21 destroyed, 39 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 10 destroyed, 4 damaged
P-26A: 15 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 48 destroyed, 17 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 71 destroyed, 41 damaged
PBY Catalina: 47 destroyed, 42 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 22 destroyed, 23 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 11 destroyed, 13 damaged
A-20B Boston: 12 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied Ships
BB California, Bomb hits 13, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9, on fire
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AV Wright, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PG Sacramento, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Litchfield, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1
DD Helm, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DM Montgomery, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Hull, Bomb hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Airbase hits 53
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 178

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
14 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
14 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
25 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
15 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
25 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
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RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack

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Here's mine.

Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 76
D3A Val x 126
B5N Kate x 143

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
P-26A x 8
P-36A Mohawk x 2
P-40B Tomahawk x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 22 destroyed, 5 damaged
D3A Val: 14 destroyed, 45 damaged
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed, 41 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 7 destroyed, 6 damaged
P-26A: 17 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 25 destroyed, 11 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 71 destroyed, 31 damaged
PBY Catalina: 31 destroyed, 69 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 13 damaged
A-20B Boston: 4 destroyed, 10 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 7 destroyed, 15 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 20 destroyed, 22 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 2, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 4
DD Ward, Bomb hits 1
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Dewey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Phoenix, Torpedo hits 1
DD Hull, Bomb hits 1


Allied ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 54
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 169

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
14 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
25 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
17 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
25 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet

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RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack

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Are any IJN Japs trying to invade Hawaii and sieze Pearl ? Is anyone trying to sieze the oil stocks and machine shops ? Is anyone Launching additional strikes to destroy the oil stocks and machine shops ?
If Pearl's oil and machine shops are left intact or perhaps if Hawaii is left in American hands how can the long range PTO outcome result in IJN victory ? Is anyone considering a Rommel DAK-type supply-siezure of Pearl's USN inventories ? Can you flush the USN aircraft carriers out forcing them to defend Pearl by sending in surface bombard units to conduct main gun Hawaiian urban renewal followed-up by a SNLF or other sea borne invasion ? Can the IJN fleet carriers refuel at Pearl if you sieze the Harbor ? Thanks.

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There are many who say that the Japanese would have been wise to have attacked with a third strike to destroy the oil storage facilities, machine shops and dry docks at Pearl Harbor. Destruction of these facilities would have greatly increased the U.S. Navy's difficulties as the nearest Fleet facilities would have been several thousand miles east of Hawaii on the West Coast of the States. Admiral Nagumo declined to order a third strike for several reasons.

http://www.campusprogram.com/reference/ ... arbor.html

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=353262


San Francisco, US-- Between July 1940 and April of 1941, during a petroleum embargo, 9,200,000 barrels of gasoline went to Japan. Navy intelligence identified and tracked eight Japanese tankers during that period. Most loaded up at the docks at Port Costa and delivered the fuel directly to Tokuyama, the main storage facility for the Japanese fleet.

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