What do I need to do production/supply-wise as allies?

[Mr.Frag]

Nope, when shuffling resources/oil, it cycles through 3 separate ranges.

A long range pull

A medium range pull

A short range pull

Mike could probably explain why it needs to be that way, I just look at it from the standpoint it works. [:D]

[Tophat]

My fix........get Oil and Resources to OZ............keep track of consuption from turn to turn...........and have mini convoys taking and dumpint the "stuff" in the big 4 ports! Yep ASW flights out of those ports as well!
Still haven't seen this allied asw death flotilla people keep decrying!
Oh....and on numerous occassions the japs have depthcharged me for little or no damage!

[tsimmonds]

What about China? Looks like there is a group of centers in the north--namely Lanchow, Yenen and Sian--that could easily get cut off from the rest of China. If IJA cuts the Sian-Chungking road, or takes Sian outright, what are the implications for production by the Allies of supply and replacements in the now-separated parts of China? The big oil center is in Lanchow, most of the manpower, HI and resources are in the southern part of the country. How important is it to maintain the Sian-Chungking link?

A) doesn't matter in the slightest
B) nice to have but not vital
C) pretty darned important
D) you're screwed if you don't

[Mr.Frag]

C) pretty darned important

[tsimmonds]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

C) pretty darned important

Just the fellow I was hoping would show up. Thanks Frag. So now that I have your attention....is this more important than, say, denying the IJA the use of the Canton-Nanching rail link? The Hanoi-Canton rail link? IYO, is there any single objective in China, outside Yunan-Chengtu-Chungking, and Lanchow itself, that is more important than Sian?

Maybe I should elaborate. Yunan-Chengtu-Chungking has 35 Manpower, 400 HI and 900 Resource but only 75 Oil. Lanchow-Yenen-Sian has 24 Manpower, 420 HI, 420 Resource and 150 Oil. Is Oil the limiting factor here? Does the Lanchow-Yenen-Sian group consume all of its oil itself, or does it have enough to ship to Chungking? I know, I could, can, and should figure this out myself, but this single example would be extremely helpful in figuring out this puzzle across the map. Also, Changsha has a stockpile of some 1600 Oil and 3000 Resource; does this stockpile completely overshadow the Oil and Resource production potential of the two areas in question, or is this just a few days' production?

(Edit: never mind, I'll figure this out on my own and post it back here next week--leaving town for a few days, just discovered laptop is fried[:@])

Anyone? I know there's gotta be some China fanboys out there, fighting on either side....isn't this what this war was about? Or has China by this time become, um, irrelevant?

[moses]

I added it up a few days ago. Oz produces 450 Oil per day and has 2670 heavy industry. So if i'm not mistaken 2220 Oil per day is needed to maximize production. So a convoys on the way?!

[Banquet]

ORIGINAL: moses

I added it up a few days ago. Oz produces 450 Oil per day and has 2670 heavy industry. So if i'm not mistaken 2220 Oil per day is needed to maximize production. So a convoys on the way?!

Is that including the fact that 1 oil centre produces 6 oil points?

[Mr.Frag]

Is that including the fact that 1 oil centre produces 6 oil points?

Yep, thats based on 6x the 75 Oil.

Keep in mind that Oz doesn't NEED the HI, the just need the 450 to keep the VERY few aircraft factories producing.

The Allies have way more then is required.

You also have to think differently when looking at Japan.

The HI produces supply to feed people.

There is NEVER enough Oil to keep all of Japan's HI running everywhere. You need to feed the 3 zones as required to keep supply being produced where you need supply. It is all about supply in China.

[Banquet]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Is that including the fact that 1 oil centre produces 6 oil points?

Yep, thats based on 6x the 75 Oil.

Keep in mind that Oz doesn't NEED the HI, the just need the 450 to keep the VERY few aircraft factories producing.

The Allies have way more then is required.

You also have to think differently when looking at Japan.

The HI produces supply to feed people.

There is NEVER enough Oil to keep all of Japan's HI running everywhere. You need to feed the 3 zones as required to keep supply being produced where you need supply. It is all about supply in China.

So, what would happen if you did supply OZ with the full amount of oil to feed the 2670 heavy industry? (I presume you'd need 2670*2=5340 oil?)

If you could feed all that HI would you get growth of HI and more replacement aircraft? Or does that side of things only apply to the Japanese?

[von Murrin]

You'd get more supply. [;)]

[Mr.Frag]

You'd get more supply.

Exactly and some more Fuel.

[Banquet]

why would you get more supply for shipping OIL to OZ?? For more supply you'd need to ship resources surely?!

[bradfordkay]

Supply also includes diesel, avgas, petrol, and lubricating oils. Fuel is naval fuel that feeds the boilers on large ships. While PTs used avgas, in the game they are abstracted to naval fuel to standardise ship refueling rules.

[Captain Cruft]

ORIGINAL: Banquet

why would you get more supply for shipping OIL to OZ?? For more supply you'd need to ship resources surely?!

HI produces supply as well.

The basics of the production system, off the top of my head:-

Code: Select all

 Oil Bases:
    PRODUCE Oil and Fuel (stored locally)
 Resources Bases:
    PRODUCE Resources and Supply (stored locally)
 Heavy Industry Bases:
    CONSUME Oil and Resources (stored locally) and
    PRODUCE Supply and Fuel (stored locally) and HI Points (stored globally)
 

So you need to get Oil and Resources to your Heavy Industry sites. All else follows from there.

[The Gnome]

Ok so in summary, by adding oil and resources to OZ the benefits are:
-More supply production
-More fuel production
-More aircraft production
-More war material (squads, guns, vehicles)?

Is it worth sending resources/oil from the US or will it result in no net gain?

[Captain Cruft]

ORIGINAL: The Gnome

Ok so in summary, by adding oil and resources to OZ the benefits are:
-More supply production
-More fuel production
-More aircraft production
-More war material (squads, guns, vehicles)?

Is it worth sending resources/oil from the US or will it result in no net gain?

I don't know about actual places and numbers, try it and see [:)]

[PeteG662]

Try pulling as much out of DEI in the beginning to OZ to deny the Japs and also to bulk up OZ...after that I don't know since I haven't gotten there yet!

[Mr.Frag]

-More supply production - YES
-More fuel production - YES
-More aircraft production - NO
-More war material (squads, guns, vehicles)? - NO


The factories are already running at full speed, more stull does not make them produce more because they are already maxed.

[The Gnome]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

-More supply production - YES
-More fuel production - YES
-More aircraft production - NO
-More war material (squads, guns, vehicles)? - NO


The factories are already running at full speed, more stull does not make them produce more because they are already maxed.

Thanks man, clears up more confusion in my head.

[Captain Cruft]

ORIGINAL: The Gnome

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

-More supply production - YES
-More fuel production - YES
-More aircraft production - NO
-More war material (squads, guns, vehicles)? - NO


The factories are already running at full speed, more stull does not make them produce more because they are already maxed.

Thanks man, clears up more confusion in my head.

That is true only assuming Japan has not invaded the American widget teleportation facility at the "USA" base [;)]