What are your favourite AFV´s?

sebagonzalez · Post by **sebagonzalez** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:34 am

For me the best, not all around, but the best AFV is by far the German Nashorn. With its 88mm L71 gun and 10 points of Fire control and Range finder, it is My elite Long Range Mobile AT in any army i set up. Using the Nashorn implicates diferent tactics than using Heavy tanks, or even medium tanks, since u relly in speed and its big gun. Then u must use it behind hills, waiting to see the enemy at long range, then u move it up the hill (the enemy will mostly miss any shot at it from long range), and then u start killing the enemy tanks from there, and if not killing, at least heavy damaging them. Then u use a waypoint style, moving from there to other hills, to avoid any enemy artillery fire behind the hill to supress or destroy the opened turreted Nashorn. It´s serious drewback is that it cant handle excellent when visibility is low, but, it will be for sure, and for ever, the elite of my AFV´s of mid to late war.

Gallo Rojo · Post by **Gallo Rojo** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:09 am

Wich is my favourite or wich one I think that was the best?
any way... my favourite is T-34/85, and I think that was the best all arrownd WWII medium tank.
It had in my view the best balance of firepower, armour and speed

Warrior · Post by **Warrior** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:40 am

The Sherman Jumbo.

asgrrr · Post by **asgrrr** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:40 am

Have to go with last speaker. Those that dig panthers and tigers don't take reliability and producability sufficiently into account methinks. Then of course the JS-2 was an exceedingly well designed tank, it put protection and firepower into a much neater package than Tiger 2.

sebagonzalez · Post by **sebagonzalez** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:58 am

In my experience, russian armor to have accuracy relies more on an experienced crew than the german armor. Put a bunch of newbies in a Nashorn and a bunch of newbies in any russian tank and lest see which blows in flames first.

Truckeye · Post by **Truckeye** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:13 am

the jagdpanther certainly passes the "look" test for me. its one bad mamma jamma! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> also at some angles it looks like a jacked up hot rod ready to rumble. add on that its got the wicked 88, speed, and armor to boot.

alassi · Post by **alassi** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:17 pm

Jagdtiger

Tommi · Post by **Tommi** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:05 pm

I dig them big cats, even if they weren't the most reliable or easy to produce. Gimme my Panther or Jagdpanther! If they're out, a Tiger will do (but not Jagdtiger nor King Tiger, the "original" issue, please).

pax27 · Post by **pax27** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:25 pm

I like the German AFV´s a lot.
When we´re talkin tank destroyers I´d have to go with Jagdpanther AND Jagdtiger. The setback with a TD like this is that it´s turretless, but with speed, armour and a heavy maingun...the rest is history.
My favourite tank is simply the Tiger. Much for the same reasons americans like baseball: The history, the myths, the family entertainment <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
The Panther is obviously a strong AFV and I´d love to see what the Panther II could have done in battle.
And ofcourse the Königstiger is a favourite as well, but the game has set it´s speed down for some reason. In fact the Tiger II was almost as "fast" as a Tiger I, go figure.
OK, these are the easy choises, but why change a losing team? <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
And just on a note when we´re talking equipment in WW2. It´s easy to brush of this or that german equip for whatever reason, but I always think about a small but significant "what if".
What if the germans didn´t have a mad man as a leader and got tangled up on two fronts and with the horrible and abominable holocast. I DON´T want to get political, but as a person interested in german equipment I´d be a fool not to be excited by this notion.
What kind of AFV´s would we have seen if all resources could be used to fight a "normal" war. This is just a hypothesis, but one worth pondering over IMHO.

Gen.Urquhart · Post by **Gen.Urquhart** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:00 pm

panther.....yes probably that's my best...but it's too easy!!!who doesn't like it?speed,armour,accurancy,the 75 L70 gun...too easy i repeat!!
talking about the game,one of my fvourite tank to use is the Churchill Croccodile!!!!You gatta use a specific tactic for it,because its 75mm short barreled gun is not very effective,especially at long range,so u have to hide it behind hills or in the wood and then wait to use your powerfull flames!!!!won a lot of pbem with that...fireflies were exellent but the usually lose their match with panthers...so when the battle must have a turning point..here comes the croccodile...usually supported by a pair of engeneers squads!!!!

LilJoe · Post by **LilJoe** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:40 pm

I,ve been using Pershings and am quite pleased with them. They have both speed and firepower(and with the proper tactics) can tackle anything the axis has and still come out on top. And of couse their built in the good old USA!

Charles2222 · Post by **Charles2222** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:48 pm

While I definitely like the KTiger and Jpanther etc., I like more the ones that were more economic, and had a huge surprize factor involved. I like the SGIIG because of it's economy, but I like the JPZIVL better, because while it was fairly economic, it had the killer Panther gun, so it qualifies as suprize factor, because there aren't many AFVs that were both low and had a whallop for a punch. That's where the suprize factor comes in, because given it's dimensions it could easily be mistaken for the SGIIIG in that it had the punch of the much higher AFVs, and I like it's lower silhouette too because it's going to get hit less.

My other candidate, since I enjoy playing Gerry so much, and you start out playing with this unit at the beginning of the campaign, and having restarted so many campaigns you get to like your most surprizing unit, and that is the underdog PZIB. Used properly, that tank can more dominant in the field than the KTiger later on, although each would be dominant in completely different ways.

Warhorse · Post by **Warhorse** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 7:00 pm

Well, I like the prototype (albeit combat tested),Dicker Max aka 10.5cm Sfl IVa. Although only available in early '41, this TD can sit back on a hill, and eat T-34's, and KV's for breakfast, lunch AND supper!! As far as my favorite, I would have to say the Hungarian 40/43M Zrinyi II assault gun, nothing outstanding about it, under armored, gun not very impressive, but the design, low silhouette are appealing somehow. Hungarians managed to bag quite a few T-34's with these in the later stages of their involvement.

Panzer Leo · Post by **Panzer Leo** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 7:26 pm

Defenitely the HETZER !!!

You don't want to be taller then 1.70m when driving it, but there's no other tank that matches it's size to effectiveness ratio. This tiny little thing just needs a good bush to hide behind and gets you from the flank...
...oohhh, and don't forget it's armor. You'll really appreciate it's 60 degrees front plate as it is more then a match for most guns...best conversion of an old suspension and one of the cleanest shapes you'll find...

asgrrr · Post by **asgrrr** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:43 pm

I don't want to be contrary, but I would like to comment on what pax said about the tiger "sisters", as it applies as a general principle.
In a simulation we must be wary of taking theoretical figures at face value. While it may be true that one could push the Tiger 2 as fast as his older sister, this is not something one would do in real life. If you did, the tank would break down after a very short drive, and then we would be much worse off. Also, in this case we must take accelleration into account. Tiger 2 would need a longer "runway" to reach top speed than #1. A similar logic can be applied to Tiger 1 vs Panzer IV, which had theoretically the same mobility. Although I understand the desire to have fun with a game like this, I am the sort of character that when realism fails the fun breaks down.

GuntherX · Post by **GuntherX** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:08 pm

Definitly the sIG 33 or Brumbar! Infantry in buildings no problem.
The M10 becuase it's cute. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
RD

kutalik · Post by **kutalik** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:29 pm

I am real partial to the T 34/85 like Gallo Rojo. It is indeed a great mix of speed and firepower.

But you know for obscure tanks I have a special place in my heart for the <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> the Ram II. The 6lb gun is nice gun for those '42 battles especially for German opponents that underestimate the Canucks.

That is before the later German tanks starting rolling in-- then goodbye to that!

Colonel von Blitz · Post by **Colonel von Blitz** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:29 pm

Originally posted by Penetrator:
Have to go with last speaker. Those that dig panthers and tigers don't take reliability and producability sufficiently into account methinks. Then of course the JS-2 was an exceedingly well designed tank, it put protection and firepower into a much neater package than Tiger 2.

JS-2 was very neat package, but fitting that huge 122mm gun into that little tank. That meant there was no room for ammunition...

Anyway, I thought the issue here was about FAVOURITE AFV, not the all-around best, or which was most built, which had the all good qualities in one package <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

So, my favourite AFVs are simply the german heavies. They're just so beautiful and one must stop and think what kind of terror they must've caused when enemy has seen them coming...or firing... <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Wasn't it Nashorn with it's 88L71 gun that blew Soviet JS-2 from 4500m away?? <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Close second place goes to Soviet heavies. JS series of tanks are just beautiful...and not taking into account small ammo load, they have an awesome gun <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Colonel von Blitz

scimitar · Post by **scimitar** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:35 pm

SU-85. Very pure design.

SoleSurvivor · Post by **SoleSurvivor** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:13 pm

Pz 38(t)

Not German, but one of the best pre-war designs. Too bad it wasn't ready to have large guns easily fit on it.