So How did Pearl Harbor go for you?

[ltfightr]

I think the first thing that almost all of us did is pick a side and hit WITP and stareted it. So How did the PH strike go for you? This was mine as the allies. I only sufered 1 dd sunk and 3-bb's at 65+damaged one BB was not touched!

ay Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 76
D3A Val x 126
B5N Kate x 143

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
P-26A x 5
P-36A Mohawk x 2
P-40B Tomahawk x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 10 damaged
D3A Val: 14 destroyed, 58 damaged
B5N Kate: 18 destroyed, 29 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 11 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-26A: 14 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 15 destroyed, 22 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 58 destroyed, 32 damaged
PBY Catalina: 35 destroyed, 53 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 11 destroyed, 9 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 16 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 20 destroyed, 19 damaged
A-20B Boston: 11 destroyed, 12 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Shaw, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 6
BB California, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 8
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 7, on fire
DD Schley, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1
DM Montgomery, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Henley, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1


Allied ground losses:
135 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 59
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 164

[freeboy]

Third start.. manny changes to my op plan around the "mini" globe.. but at pearl.. 3bb reported sunk... spies in the emperors service confirmed these facts... also both Saratogga and Enterprise have had fish put in them near SF within the first two weeks

[Hammer2001]

Using historical first turn as allied I had all BBs but Oklahoma (just 14 system damage) with severe system damage (65+%) and 25-45% float damage. The BB California and a DD were sunk.
259 Planes were destroyed in all theatre, only 10 in AA combat. two P-40s from Honolulu scored the first two air victories of the war against zeros.

Playing as Japan with historical first turn the AI scored 4x BBs and 2x DDs sunk, a great victory.

[freeboy]

no kidding . the worst start had zero bb's killed .. all historical starts

[PimpInTheBox]

ORIGINAL: ltfightr

I think the first thing that almost all of us did is pick a side and hit WITP and stareted it. So How did the PH strike go for you? This was mine as the allies. I only sufered 1 dd sunk and 3-bb's at 65+damaged one BB was not touched!

I am guilty of the "NeedtoJumpInTheDeepEndFirst-itis" as well. I was rewarded by the Gods of war by only having a single(!) DD sunk. Only 1 BB over 65% sys damage and only 1 other above 50%. All Hail the Gods of War! [&o] I am thinking that I will be able to commence severe retalliation sooner than I anticipated. [:D]

As for the rest of them I don't have a Combat report for it, but here is a screenie taken on Dec. 14 of the ships in port at pearl:

[Thayne]

I am one who simply needed to get started in the campaign. I figure that the mistakes I make in the first few turns are the typical problems of getting a huge war machine going. I'll pick them up in time. (I did play through the tutorial to get the mechanics of the game -- then it was Load Scenario 15 and watch the fun.)

Pearl Harbor:

1 ship sunk. A PT boat hit with a 800kb AP bomb. I figure the bomb went through the boat, buried itself in the muck at the bottom of the harbor, blew up, and sent PT splinters all over Ford Island.

Also, the California is on the fringe. The Arizona also took some serious damage. Three BBs have moderate damage and 3 BBs were badly dented but serviceable.

I'm worried about the Ogalala. Every system on board has been knocked out, and there are 8 fires still burning. I should just bring one of those PT Boats around and put her out of her misery -- sink her before something explosive happens. The fire crews have more important things to worry about.

[Capitaine]

I played w/ historical first turn off and surprise attack off and evacuated all the BB's and some escorting light ships from PH. [:D]

I've always wanted to see what would'a happened if the USN had its BB's intact. However, I had a TF of CL's and DD's leave and come back to PH, and they got chewed up pretty badly. I guess it's better to lose a couple DM's and PT boats than battleship row, eh? [;)]

[ADavidB]

I've tried the historical full war start three times as the Allies versus the Japanese AI. In all three cases the KB launched only 1 strike and only sank 1 CA and one or two other small fry. The damage to my BBs wasn't bad either, usually with one or two with less than 10 system damage. (Hey, they might have gotten that from an auto-upgrade. [;)] )

In general, air attacks agains ships from both sides aren't doing a lot of damage. But land bombat between armies is brutal, particularly on the part of the Japanese forces. There seems to be no way that the Allies can hold the Japanese land forces to the historical time frame.

Dave Baranyi

[John B]

One BB (Oklahoma) sunk, six others knocked about to some extent, but all eventually repairable. One CL and one DD also sunk. Got off quite lightly.

[Deathifier]

I used the vary start option, historical turn, surprise.

Game dumped both my carriers in PH... yay...

Lost a whole 3 ships (1 CA, 1 PT and one Aux type craft), couple of smashed up BB's over 50 sys damage. Jap bombing strategy appeared to be dump all the bombs onto carriers and torps into everything else.

One almost sank but will be ok if nothing else touches it, and the other only has 30 sys damage.

And for that I think the carrier got a whole 10 extra F4F-3's in the air, one flimsy counterattack by 6 TBD's and some abortive efforts by SBD's.

A fun start to the game

- Deathifier

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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 76
D3A Val x 126
B5N Kate x 143

Allied aircraft
F2A Buffalo x 8
F4F-3 Wildcat x 16
P-26A x 8
P-36A Mohawk x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 31 destroyed, 7 damaged
D3A Val: 27 destroyed, 55 damaged
B5N Kate: 29 destroyed, 35 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F2A Buffalo: 15 destroyed, 2 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 25 destroyed, 9 damaged
P-26A: 21 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 20 destroyed, 16 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 93 destroyed, 41 damaged
PBY Catalina: 46 destroyed, 45 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 25 destroyed, 17 damaged
A-20B Boston: 9 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 5 destroyed, 13 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 9 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Tucker, Bomb hits 1
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 6
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2
AVD Thornton, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1
AK Hirondelle, Bomb hits 1
PT PT-29, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 2
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chicago, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Henley, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 2
CA Astoria, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Aroostook, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AO Ramapo, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
104 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 45
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 180

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
13 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
15 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
21 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
23 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
14 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
16 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
16 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
25 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
25 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet

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Day Air attack on TF at 111,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43

Allied aircraft
TBD Devastator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
TBD Devastator: 15 destroyed, 1 damaged

[Grotius]

I used historical first turn, surprise on. The Japanese AI sunk the BB Tennessee and damaged every other BB, but no other BB has FLT damage over 60 or so, so I may survive. Depending on what KB does next. Hehe, I'm still working on inputting my December 8 turn.

[irrgang]

Duh! Computer dumped my CVs just outside the harbour...
First turn:
3 BB sunk
1 CV sunk
1 other BB 89% sys damage
Wake lost

Second turn:
Second CV sunk, was located in same hex as IJN nw of PH.

[WhoCares]

Check my results in this thread (but was just a test) (<= link)
(check my second post)

[byron13]

ORIGINAL: irrgang

Duh! Computer dumped my CVs just outside the harbour...
First turn:
3 BB sunk
1 CV sunk
1 other BB 89% sys damage
Wake lost

Second turn:
Second CV sunk, was located in same hex as IJN nw of PH.

That's a challenging beginning, huh?

[irrgang]

ORIGINAL: byron13

ORIGINAL: irrgang

Duh! Computer dumped my CVs just outside the harbour...
First turn:
3 BB sunk
1 CV sunk
1 other BB 89% sys damage
Wake lost

Second turn:
Second CV sunk, was located in same hex as IJN nw of PH.

That's a challenging beginning, huh?

This will be a long one... Good thing it was against the AI

[Deathifier]

ORIGINAL: irrgang

ORIGINAL: byron13

ORIGINAL: irrgang

Duh! Computer dumped my CVs just outside the harbour...
First turn:
3 BB sunk
1 CV sunk
1 other BB 89% sys damage
Wake lost

Second turn:
Second CV sunk, was located in same hex as IJN nw of PH.

That's a challenging beginning, huh?

This will be a long one... Good thing it was against the AI

Yeah the AI needs some advantages, and the random starts are neat.
Do you think losing the carriers now (and therefore getting Essex class replacements faster) is better than just having the carriers smashed up in port repairing for several months (I left both of mine in PH and get everything else that was scratched out. Now end of Jan and ~12-15 sys has been fixed on each)?

One way you are down two carriers for a couple of years, the other they are out for about one year or (if not heavily damaged), just a couple of months.

- Deathifier

[Adnan Meshuggi]

Hm, what happen if YOU sink the carriers ?
i mean, you get 2 or 3 96 damaged carriers, sitting in a far far away harbor... you need around the same time to repair em or to get 2 essex !?
Well i would scuttle em, cause i get the planes AND the ships !
Or do you recive em only if you do not scuttle ?

Really interesting, cause this could be used strategically as an allied player....

and i think this shouldn´t be possible

But i agree, if you loose a carrier early in the war, the US WOULD produce one more essex... i would go as far - for any sunk carrier they would have produced one.. not only for the 42 lost carriers...

But i would delay em some months more AND they have to take the "original" air groups and these have to be withdrawn 6 months before the carriers are ready to fight...

but the same should be true for the japanese... if a carrier loss happen earlier as at midway, they should commission one more carrier (Unryo/Tahio-Class, for the zuikakkukis the last)

[Luskan]

See how a pro does pearl.
Note I actually only lost 30 planes from Kido Butai in real life. Allied fighters having a bit of a joke.


Japanese Ships
AP Kinryu Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported

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Sub attack at 43,49

Japanese Ships
AP Nichiryo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
SS S-36

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Sub attack at 103,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-24

Allied Ships
CA Indianapolis, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DMS Elliot
DMS Long
DMS Dorsey
DMS Hopkins
DMS Southard

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ASW attack near Batavia at 19,59

Japanese Ships
SS I-153, hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Evertsen
DD Van Nes
CL Java

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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 107
G3M Nell x 36
G4M1 Betty x 52

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 2
P-35A x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 10 destroyed, 8 damaged
P-35A: 17 destroyed, 8 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 23 destroyed, 13 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 22 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-17C Fortress: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged


Allied ground losses:
60 casualties reported

Airbase hits 39
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 162

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
20 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
20 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
15 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 110
D3A Val x 135
B5N Kate x 143

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
P-26A x 5
P-36A Mohawk x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 damaged
D3A Val: 31 destroyed, 40 damaged
B5N Kate: 34 destroyed, 41 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 9 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-26A: 16 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 20 destroyed, 10 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 39 destroyed, 31 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 8 destroyed, 28 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 8 destroyed, 12 damaged
PBY Catalina: 23 destroyed, 37 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
A-20B Boston: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Laida, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 16, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1
DD Allen, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1
CA San Francisco, Torpedo hits 1
DD Selfridge, Bomb hits 1
CL Helena, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Monaghan, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AVD Hulbert, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Bobolink, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Manini, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AV Wright, Torpedo hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 26
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 59

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
17 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
21 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
22 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
17 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
12 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
26 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet

[Xargun]

Just started a new PBEM game (as japan of course) and here is how my PH went...

Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 76
D3A Val x 126
B5N Kate x 143

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
P-26A x 8
P-36A Mohawk x 2
P-40B Tomahawk x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 17 destroyed, 10 damaged
D3A Val: 19 destroyed, 59 damaged
B5N Kate: 21 destroyed, 29 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 13 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-26A: 16 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 34 destroyed, 18 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 50 destroyed, 39 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 15 destroyed, 7 damaged
PBY Catalina: 38 destroyed, 60 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 14 destroyed, 20 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged
A-20B Boston: 5 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 2, on fire
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP U.S. Grant, Torpedo hits 1
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 4, on fire
DD Ralph Talbot, Bomb hits 1, on fire
MSW Turkey, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT PT-30, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AE Pyro, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DM Ramsay, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
147 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 46
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 171

Took more losses than before and sunk even less ships.. The only thing that died was that stupid PT boat. Although, on the other hand the first attack of the war was my ships sinking a dutch Sub - the same sub that usually gets the first shot of the war... I beat him to it and sunk him [:D]

Xargun

[chili614]

Just for fun I tried suprise and historical first turn off and made my moves based on my knowledge of the attack. I moved everything (even PT boats) out of PH and sent three equally strengthed surface combat TF's north to try to get lucky and end up in the same hex as the Japanese CV TF.

End result was no ships damaged at PH, one 3 BB, 1 CA, 11 DD taskforce went into surface contact with the Japanese CV taskforce and the Arizona put a shell into Hiryu that casued a critical hit. Some minor damage to my TF (13 SYS for Arizona) and everyone made it back to PH. Other BB's took minor SYS damage from secondary air attack heading home, but no torpedoes hit and max damage from air attacks was 9. Admittedly this was not the most sporting excercise, but fun to play around with.

I gave it a second shot (now knowing what hex the Japanese TF would be in) and sent an 8 BB surface TF to the same location. They also engaged but got no hits on carriers and were damaged pretty badly by the escorting Japanese BB's. Air attacks also mauled the surface task force quite a bit and a Japanese sub got in a good torpedo hit on the California.

A third attempt (a tie-breaker of sorts) also resulted in no carrier hits and five damaged American BB's (though none over 30 SYS). I guess luck has a lot to do with it...

Yes, I know this was not historically accurate, practical, or at all sporting. Just an excercise in "what if's." The historical 1st turn that I used to start my actual campaign resulted in one PT, one DD, and one CA sunk and a lot of stuff damaged, but no BB's even reached 50 damage in any category.