Is it a good game? Is the AI worth anything? Just to tell you I was VERY dissapointed with the KP AI. My first game I set it as Computer (normal) and I won an overwhelming victory. Thereafter, I always set it on ++, and have still won overwhelming victories in ALL MY GAMES. So is this AI any better? What is the play like? Is there anything particularly annoying about the game? WHY DOES IT COST 100 bucks canadian???? Thats like twice the price of any other game out there! Anyways, yeah, and your personnal impressions on the game, and why i should buy it.
Thanks!
Guillaume
Is war in the pacific worth buying?
Moderators: Joel Billings, wdolson, Don Bowen, mogami
Is war in the pacific worth buying?
"Hard pressed on my right; my left is in retreat. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking."
-Gen. Joffre, before the battle of the Marne
-Gen. Joffre, before the battle of the Marne
-
SunDevil_MatrixForum
- Posts: 782
- Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2001 8:00 am
- Location: Tempe, AZ
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
There is no chance, no destiny, no fate, that can circumvent or hinder or control the firm resolve of a determined soul.
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
SunDevil is an amazing linker. [:D]
My take is that War in the Pacific is underpriced. But I intend to play mostly PBEM games so I am
not real worried about the AI. Some have said it is fair but it will do some stupid things.
My take is that War in the Pacific is underpriced. But I intend to play mostly PBEM games so I am
not real worried about the AI. Some have said it is fair but it will do some stupid things.
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
If you have any interest in this theater then the game is a must have. It's definately one for the grog's so keep that in mind too.
The AI will give you a good game on hard setting if you keep things in the realm of history. PBEM's are awesome, I play both [:D]
The AI will give you a good game on hard setting if you keep things in the realm of history. PBEM's are awesome, I play both [:D]
"Order AP Hill to prepare for battle" -- Stonewall Jackson
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
ORIGINAL: BossGnome
Is it a good game? Is the AI worth anything? Just to tell you I was VERY dissapointed with the KP AI. My first game I set it as Computer (normal) and I won an overwhelming victory. Thereafter, I always set it on ++, and have still won overwhelming victories in ALL MY GAMES. So is this AI any better? What is the play like? Is there anything particularly annoying about the game? WHY DOES IT COST 100 bucks canadian???? Thats like twice the price of any other game out there! Anyways, yeah, and your personnal impressions on the game, and why i should buy it.
Thanks!
Guillaume
Hmm. The AI suffers the same deficiencies as any other modern AI. It can't plan effectively. It can't respond well to unexpected human moves. What can you expect from a machine that doesn't even have the intellect of an earthworm? If you play a campaign game and play somewhat like the Allies did historically (dual thrust via New Guinea plus Central Pacific), it'll give you a game. I haven't played as the Japanese yet, because I don't have a lot of empathy for them.
My annoyances are the clunky interface, lack of administrative support for operations and semi-opaque game mechanics; your mileage may differ.
It costs 100 bucks because Matrix, and 2by3 have a business model that requires it to be 100 bucks. Personally, I would have paid more, because there is simply no other game that lets me play (and learn) the entire Pacific Theatre in WWII. Is that worth 100 bucks to you? It's your call. For fans of WWII games, and Gary Grigsby in particular, I don't think there's much price elasticity.
Overall, I enjoy the game; I'm going to enjoy PBEM even more - I even enjoy developing little utilities to help me track what's going on. The appeal is partly the complexity, and partly the theatre - one of my grandparents fought in Burma, so it's always fascinated me.
Why should you buy it? I've no clue. Read the forums and you'll doubtless reach a decision.
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
Hi, Back when the years all had B.C. after them (Before computers) I often paid 70 bucks for board games. There were games that had the scope and detail (and the price)without the playabilty and if you could not find another human there was no AI at all.
I used to dream of computers before there existed any on the market for private use.
Then there they were. Only the games lost the scope and the detail and kept a large portion of the price. They had an AI such as AI's existed then and now but if you could find another human....... Now WITP is here. It is running as I type on my other machine. I'm fighting the AI and having a good time but I don't imagine I am working near as hard as I will once I am able to begin playing PBEM (after that I won't deal with the AI ever again)
I don't think I can put a price on WITP. And now that I have it. I can't imagine going back to the time before I had it.
I used to dream of computers before there existed any on the market for private use.
Then there they were. Only the games lost the scope and the detail and kept a large portion of the price. They had an AI such as AI's existed then and now but if you could find another human....... Now WITP is here. It is running as I type on my other machine. I'm fighting the AI and having a good time but I don't imagine I am working near as hard as I will once I am able to begin playing PBEM (after that I won't deal with the AI ever again)
I don't think I can put a price on WITP. And now that I have it. I can't imagine going back to the time before I had it.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
The game is an outstanding value for the money. There's nothing else that comes close to this level of depth, detail and scope.
"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say let's give them all they want." -- Gen. W. T. Sherman
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
Best game ever, bar none.
Will the AI give you a challenge? I should surely hope not. It's fun for some action in between PBEM games, but like all AI's, it will not challenge you tactically/strategically.
Will the AI give you a challenge? I should surely hope not. It's fun for some action in between PBEM games, but like all AI's, it will not challenge you tactically/strategically.
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
At the moment, in my opinion, I would suggest you wait a little while. If you want to play primarily against the AI, do some searching to see what others experience has been with this, as I have primarily played PBEM.
For me, if I could do it all over again, I would wait for at least one more patch, and probably two, before considering my purchase. In my opinion I think that this game has great potential, but for one reason or another was rushed out at release by at least a couple of months as the manual and game has had many problems, many of which still exist after the most recent patch. Currently this has left me feeling like a bit of a sucker as Ive paid my $70 to be a beta tester when all I want to do (and I really DO want to) is enjoy the game. [:(]
For me, if I could do it all over again, I would wait for at least one more patch, and probably two, before considering my purchase. In my opinion I think that this game has great potential, but for one reason or another was rushed out at release by at least a couple of months as the manual and game has had many problems, many of which still exist after the most recent patch. Currently this has left me feeling like a bit of a sucker as Ive paid my $70 to be a beta tester when all I want to do (and I really DO want to) is enjoy the game. [:(]
-
Clipper1968
- Posts: 445
- Joined: Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:25 pm
- Location: LA, Ca
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
ORIGINAL: MadDawg
At the moment, in my opinion, I would suggest you wait a little while. If you want to play primarily against the AI, do some searching to see what others experience has been with this, as I have primarily played PBEM.
For me, if I could do it all over again, I would wait for at least one more patch, and probably two, before considering my purchase. In my opinion I think that this game has great potential, but for one reason or another was rushed out at release by at least a couple of months as the manual and game has had many problems, many of which still exist after the most recent patch. Currently this has left me feeling like a bit of a sucker as Ive paid my $70 to be a beta tester when all I want to do (and I really DO want to) is enjoy the game. [:(]
Totally agreed. I stopped playing the game waiting for the next patch coming in august.[&o][&o][&o]
If only I had been patient enough I would have paid 78 € and not 88 € as I did.[:@]
Still wondering why I ordered "CD on demand"...[&:]whereas I can burn it on my PC.
"s'instruire pour vaincre"
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
Hi, This is very interesting. I thought the game was wonderfully playable a year ago.
Now forgive me I've been out of the loop for a month. I'm still playing my Beta version.
I have not caught up on all the threads from the last month. So bear with me when I ask
just what the next patch is going to change? I don't have any bugs in my game. People will be doing OOB and art mods from now till Doomsday. Thats why the editor is there.
I can understand not starting a PBEM game (of the long war ) but there are many shorter scenarios that you could play waiting for this patch. Odd are most of the people that didn't wait for it will not notice it once they have it.
Now forgive me I've been out of the loop for a month. I'm still playing my Beta version.
I have not caught up on all the threads from the last month. So bear with me when I ask
just what the next patch is going to change? I don't have any bugs in my game. People will be doing OOB and art mods from now till Doomsday. Thats why the editor is there.
I can understand not starting a PBEM game (of the long war ) but there are many shorter scenarios that you could play waiting for this patch. Odd are most of the people that didn't wait for it will not notice it once they have it.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
there are many shorter scenarios that you could play waiting for this patch. Odd are most of the people that didn't wait for it will not notice it once they have it.
No, unfortunately there arent, as they are all broken unless there is supposed to be no Japanese aircraft production at all in any of these scenarios (or I am doing something wrong, but nobody has pointed out what). Ive checked the origional install and the Japanese player does indeed recieve replacement aircraft so this is, one way or another, new in 1.20 and from what I can see its either a bug or has ruined all of the smaller scenarios (in some they have no replacement fighters).
This is what I am talking when I say that I feel like a beta tester. This took be less than a day to find out yet it is a show stopper for all of the smaller scenarios currently in game. I spent a few hours setting up this scenario and Im now again Im back to square one waiting for word on what seems to be yet another bug and if so, waiting for yet another patch before this game is playable.
Dawg
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
Purchase the game?
Well, it depends on what you're are looking for. The game is unique in its GARGANTUAN scope and detail. Mostly, it appears to work and, IF you're an aficianado of WW2's Pacific Campaign, then YEAH, you've pretty much got to have it.
TF 38
Well, it depends on what you're are looking for. The game is unique in its GARGANTUAN scope and detail. Mostly, it appears to work and, IF you're an aficianado of WW2's Pacific Campaign, then YEAH, you've pretty much got to have it.
TF 38
RE: Is war in the pacific worth buying?
It's been worth every penny to me. I'm a Pacific War nut and something of a grognard, so for me, this game is The Game I've been waiting for. Right now I'd say it's the best computer wargame I've ever played.
That said, it's not for everyone. The emphasis on logistics is daunting. You're responsible for moving fuel, supply, oil, and resources in tankers and cargo ships. You have to manage auxiliary vessels like the AS (sub tenders, which restock sub torps), AV (float plane tenders), AD (destroyer tender), etc. You have to put ground crews at bases that want to maintain planes. You can automate a little of this, but most of it's up to you.
As for the AI, it's giving me a good game because I'm playing historically. I kinda want to recreate the war in my first game or two against the AI. If, after a year of doing that, I'm still obsessed, then I'll try a PBEM for a more freewheeling game.
If you plan to play only the AI, set the AI to Hard or higher, and play historically.
That said, it's not for everyone. The emphasis on logistics is daunting. You're responsible for moving fuel, supply, oil, and resources in tankers and cargo ships. You have to manage auxiliary vessels like the AS (sub tenders, which restock sub torps), AV (float plane tenders), AD (destroyer tender), etc. You have to put ground crews at bases that want to maintain planes. You can automate a little of this, but most of it's up to you.
As for the AI, it's giving me a good game because I'm playing historically. I kinda want to recreate the war in my first game or two against the AI. If, after a year of doing that, I'm still obsessed, then I'll try a PBEM for a more freewheeling game.
If you plan to play only the AI, set the AI to Hard or higher, and play historically.