Change Swastika

Frizz · Post by **Frizz** » Tue Dec 04, 2001 8:36 pm

How can I change the German Swastika to the Iron Cross? I know I read it somewhere but can't seem to find it now. If anyone knows please post <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

pax27 · Post by **pax27** » Tue Dec 04, 2001 9:51 pm

In your SPWaW folder you have a folder called Shp. In this you have two folders, one called IronCross and the other called Swastika. Copy the files (minus the Holder.txt) in your IronCross folder to the Shp folder and overwrite. This get´s you the IronCross. To change back you (you guessed it) copy the files from the Swastika folder to the Shp one.

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generalrichmond · Post by **generalrichmond** » Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:48 am

On a related subject, was there an Iron Cross flag, or is this just a no-Swastika workaround unique to SPWaW? If there was, what color was it and what did it look like?

Khan7 · Post by **Khan7** » Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:46 am

There was no Iron Cross flag. There's just a lot of PC disease going around nowadays..

Matt

Greg McCarty · Post by **Greg McCarty** » Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:35 am

Originally posted by Khan7:
There was no Iron Cross flag. There's just a lot of PC disease going around nowadays..

Matt

Amen. It's like a disease: If you can suffer through it without dying, your immunological
system will probably put an end to further occurences. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Bing · Post by **Bing** » Wed Dec 05, 2001 7:11 am

Pardon me for butting in here.

However ... if you could go back far enough in the forum mesages, you would find the Iron Cross-for-Swastika substitute came about because of the German players. Their government prohibts ALL use of the Swastika, no matter when and under what circumstances, if caught even innocently showing the Swastika, Germans are (at least theoretically) subject to prosecution.

So the shp file was created for them and has been around since, I think, the v5x series, probably even before that. No Iron Corss flag I know of, but most German military equipment I've seen sported the Iron Cross, in lieu of the Swastika - this may have had something to do with German officers believing they were apolitcal, not sure of this apsect though.

Bing

pax27 · Post by **pax27** » Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:18 pm

If you don´t like the Swastika (or whatever you want to call it) you should stay out of India and Asia, especially China. It´s still a symbol of the sun or a symbol of good there, just like it was for the native population of America before we decided to kill it off as a Nazi symbol (actually, I guess Adolf killed it for us).
There´s a movement among the native Americans to reclaim the swastika because they want to be able to use it in their culture again. There´s also a cool Coca-Cola ad from the 20´s that uses a huge swastika. The list goes on, before the nazis stole this symbol it was used around the world as a totally different symbol.
Not seeing is far from solving a problem, but there´s a lot of people that cant see past the swastika as a symbol for ultimate evil, so ofcourse it´s good that you can change it to the Iron Cross instead.
I am however wery thankfull for the fact that SPWaW uses the swastica in the game, so many other wargames don´t, and to me that´s wrong.
BTW, the situation for Germans is obviously different from a lame Swede like me, and I fully understand/respect their recentment and their laws.

lnp4668 · Post by **lnp4668** » Wed Dec 05, 2001 4:27 pm

Originally posted by pax27:
If you don´t like the Swastika (or whatever you want to call it) you should stay out of India and Asia, especially China. It´s still a symbol of the sun or a symbol of good there, just like it was for the native population of America before we decided to kill it off as a Nazi symbol (actually, I guess Adolf killed it for us).
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The swastika that you refer to in Asia is symbol for compassion in Budhism. It is different than the one used by the Nazi in that the Budhist symbol stands straight up, instead of tilted on one leg like the one used by the Nazi.

It always seems congruous to me that a symbol for good could be changed to a symbol for destruction by just slightly altered its position. It seems that good and bad are just two flip sides of the same coin. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Similar to the Yin and Yang symbol.

Ok, I'll stops the philosophizing.

NeoWhiteWolf · Post by **NeoWhiteWolf** » Wed Dec 05, 2001 4:50 pm

In reallity the swasitka appears in over 15 cultures....Theyve found it in Germanic tribes about the roman era, In China and lower Asia, Egypt, some south american places....Its like the pyramaids many ppl came up with a simalr looking symbol...

The symbol earliest meaning is the Asia and it mean WIndmill....I think ppl should let things go....Life is too short...If a Woman who lsot her family and friends to the camps in the 40's forgive the men that did it cant ppl fogive the past for making mistakes by not making them agian.

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pax27 · Post by **pax27** » Thu Dec 06, 2001 1:07 am

I am aware of the slight difference in the swastika symbol around the world, but it´s still the same symbol.
The christian cross also has many different looks all over the world, and ofcourse the upside down cross, sometimes given a satanic meaning.
It´s funny that only me and a bunch of americans are discussing the swastika, but I´m pleased to see that the swastika insn´t taken just as a nazi symbol only anymore.
Well, pease and all, at least Frizz got an answer to his Q...

Jacc · Post by **Jacc** » Fri Dec 07, 2001 4:58 pm

The meaning of swastika depends on whether it "opens" to the left or right (I recall vaguely that right is life, left is death, or something). Finns used the basic "straight" swastika, unlike Nazis. It was adopted here at 1920s, as a Swedish count gave two of his airplanes to Finland - they later became FAF.

halstein · Post by **halstein** » Fri Dec 07, 2001 6:15 pm

To my knowledge, the meaning of the swastika is the same independently of how it is drawn. Tha main reason for the nazis to tilt it, after what I have heard, was that looked more dynamic that way. The nazis choosed the swastika because it was considered by them an old germanic symbol of good luck.