Do the japanese get some superfast Inf Divs in the first six months?

[Svar]

In my first v1.21 Scenario #16 mod game as the Allies versus the Japanese on hard level I was having problems staying ahead of the Japanese in Burma. I looked at some save games as the Japanese to see how they were doing it. I saw some incredible movement. The Japanese 33rd Inf Div on 2/21/42 was at hex 33,31 (a jungle hex without any trail. On 2/22/42 the 33rd Inf Div was in hex 35,30 which is 120 miles away, only the last 60 miles were railroad. On 2/23/42 the 33rd Inf Div went back to 32,31 plus 17 miles toward 31,31. That is 197 miles in 1 day after 120 miles the day before. There were 2 tank units in the area that weren't that fast, how is this possible?

Edited for a math error, 3 hexes are 180 miles not 120.

[Mike Scholl]

I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of imaginative "explanations" you get
to this question. 257 miles in two days is going to give even the Japanese Fan
Boys a real challange.

[2ndACR]

Fast donkey express.[:D] You do know that the Japanese have the Bullet Train don't you?

[mapr]

"Hard - Computer is given some logistical advantages" [8D]

I'd love to hear more specifically what kind of advantages these are... And what are combat advantages on Very Hard level? I am currently playing agains AI at Historical level to learn how things work in game and have to say that AI would need those advantages, but then I would not have a clue about effiency of planes, ships and troops when I start playing PBM.

[2ndACR]

At the "Hard" level the AI gets to peek at your forces, objectives, destinations etc.

On "very Hard" the AI gets the same as Hard level plus combat bonus'.

[Captain Cruft]

I'm not sure this can be explained by the "AI Advantage" features. The whole ground movement thing seems strange to me.

To give a concrete example, I once ordered a Japanese artillery unit to march from Lauheng Raung (the base where Burma Area Army starts) cross country to get on the road on the other side of the border. The hex in between is an "lm" hex i.e. mountains. I thought this would take absolutely ages but in fact it only took one day, and only one more day to go from the mountains to the road.

FWIW I haven't looked at the "transport grid" (R key) to see if there's any hidden roads/trails there.

[Lemurs!]

That sounds like a bug; other players have seen teleporting forces as well.

Mike

[tsimmonds]

Is it possible that this "teleporting" division was actually broken down into regiments?

[Svar]

The 33rd Inf Div was a full strength division that was overstrenght in IJA engineer squads and support. It also had 14 Type 92 tankettes attached that aren't in its TOE. On 2/21/42 when it was sitting in the jungle it had disruption of 20 and fatigue of 62. Following its 120 mile move out of the jungle and down a rail line it had disruption of 21 and fatigue of 65. The next day after its 197 mile down a rail line it had disruption of 20 and fatigue of 63 so it appears to have been transported.

[moses]

Here's how it can happen. You're movement rate is determined by the hex you are IN. Test it and you'll find that this is correct. So getting from the rail to the mountain hex is easy. First move equal 90 miles and you're there with 30 miles to spare. It does not matter if the rail goes to the mountain!! Now the fun part. The trick is to start youre movement one rail hex back. On turn one you move one rail hex and have 30 miles to spare. Now you move by rail through the mountain hex. 90+30=120 movement points so you move right over the mountain although usually fatigue will slow you down a little. So normally you end up on the mountain hex with 55 or so movement points to spare which can be used to travel in any direction.

Key point: If you are on a rail hex you can go by rail in any direction regardless of what the rail net shows.

Strange exception: Say you are in a rail hex. The rail runs from your hex north to an enemy occupied hex. It then runs SE to a mountain hex NE of you. You have no rail or road connection directly to the mountain hex. Now you will not be allowed to move to the mountain hex directly. You have to go through the enemy hex!!!! The program calculates that the fastest route is the rail route and thats the direction you have to go.

[UncleBuck]

If this unit had any engineers with it they were using the Japanese SUper Tractor Dozer. it has 10,000 HP and is able to plow through any terrain at 600 miles per hour on 1 liter of diesel fuel. It is also capable of carrying troops like a 20K AP. [:D]

Sorry I couldn't resist.

UB

[UncleBuck]

I am having a similar issue but in reverse in a game I playing with HArd_Sarge. I have an infantry brigade at Madang that is Marching to Hansa. It is in NG. It is a trail, and the unit is well supplied. In 11 turns they have gone a whopping 23 miles. That is right at 2 miles a day. Oh well Hansa is not defended , or so Recon tells me, but I may get it in the next month.

UB

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: moses

Here's how it can happen. You're movement rate is determined by the hex you are IN. Test it and you'll find that this is correct. So getting from the rail to the mountain hex is easy. First move equal 90 miles and you're there with 30 miles to spare. It does not matter if the rail goes to the mountain!! Now the fun part. The trick is to start youre movement one rail hex back. On turn one you move one rail hex and have 30 miles to spare. Now you move by rail through the mountain hex. 90+30=120 movement points so you move right over the mountain although usually fatigue will slow you down a little. So normally you end up on the mountain hex with 55 or so movement points to spare which can be used to travel in any direction.

Key point: If you are on a rail hex you can go by rail in any direction regardless of what the rail net shows.

Strange exception: Say you are in a rail hex. The rail runs from your hex north to an enemy occupied hex. It then runs SE to a mountain hex NE of you. You have no rail or road connection directly to the mountain hex. Now you will not be allowed to move to the mountain hex directly. You have to go through the enemy hex!!!! The program calculates that the fastest route is the rail route and thats the direction you have to go.

So what you are basically saying is that the game's land movement system is a TOTAL
AND COMPLETE PIECE OF GARBAGE!. That's kind of what I thought after reading the
initial post. A North-South RR line allows the player to take the "Super Chief" right
across the roadless mountain to the East or West.... And even more annoying when
the moving unit is an invader with no access to the engines or rolling stock of the RR
in the first place. Can you say "broken"?

[Tom G.]

"Can you say "broken"?

Broquen. Bricken. sprochen.

Damn, I cant say it?

Anyone esle experiencing this? Possible bug?? Can we get an official response from 2by3 or Matrix?

baken, locken. This is amazing I can't say it.

[Mike Scholl]

Try "BUSTED". It rhymes with "lusted" which is a concept most guys are familiar with

[moses]

I wouldn't use the words "broken" or "garbage" as it works in most instances. The game as is is playable and since its primarily a game of navel war I guess we could live with the current system. There are however distinct problems with the ground movement system which should be addressed. Unfortunately my attempts to raise these issues have been met mostly by miscomprehension.

[Ron Saueracker]

[:D]Hey, Mike Scholl. You call a spade a shovel for the most part don't ya. No pulling punches for you. How many girlfriends have you pissed off in your time? "Honey, your coffee tastes like shit! You wear too much make-up, why? Because you're ugly! You drive like a girl! Boring!!! I can do better with my hand and I'm a thalydamide baby!"[;)]

Not giving you shit here. Most times when I read your posts I cough tea through my nose.[X(]

[fbastos]

Hey, Mike Scholl. You call a spade a shovel for the most part don't ya. No pulling punches for you. How many girlfriends have you pissed off in your time? "Honey, your coffee tastes like ****! You wear too much make-up, why? Because you're ugly! You drive like a girl! Boring!!! I can do better with my hand and I'm a thalydamide baby!"

Not giving you **** here. Most times when I read your posts I cough tea through my nose.

Hehehe... ah, the British humor... [:D]

Erp.. I mean.. Canadian...

F.

[Culiacan Mexico]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
...You wear too much make-up, why? Because you're ugly!...

[:D]

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

[:D]Hey, Mike Scholl. You call a spade a shovel for the most part don't ya. No pulling punches for you. How many girlfriends have you pissed off in your time? "Honey, your coffee tastes like shit! You wear too much make-up, why? Because you're ugly! You drive like a girl! Boring!!! I can do better with my hand and I'm a thalydamide baby!"[;)]

Not giving you shit here. Most times when I read your posts I cough tea through my nose.[X(]

In answer to your question..., EVERY SINGLE ONE! I am cursed with honesty, which my
ex found interesting at first, then annoying, then "gounds for seperation". Damned near
choked on my coke reading your post.