One question about frozen Soviet units

[keyser soze]

If I understood correctly from alpha reports if Japan attack USSR before Germany only units in east part of USSR will be unfrozen and if Germany attack all units will be unfrozen. So my question is:
In first mentioned case (Japan attacked first) what will happen if unfrozen USSR units attack Germany units?

[paullus99]

Well, unfrozen Russian units shouldn't be able to reach any German units to attack (unless maybe there are Germans in Persia). The Russian player is still locked from moving any units tactically in the west (though they can move them strategically to reinforce their Far Eastern position).

I doubt you'll see many situations where Japan attacks Russia first, because German players will wait only the minimum amount of time before invading themselves....the earlier Germany hits Russia, the better.

[Joel Billings]

ORIGINAL: paullus99

Well, unfrozen Russian units shouldn't be able to reach any German units to attack (unless maybe there are Germans in Persia). The Russian player is still locked from moving any units tactically in the west (though they can move them strategically to reinforce their Far Eastern position).

I doubt you'll see many situations where Japan attacks Russia first, because German players will wait only the minimum amount of time before invading themselves....the earlier Germany hits Russia, the better.

Also, Russia's production increases when at war, so Japan attacking Russia before Germany will just increase Russian production with little return. The best time for Japan to attack the Soviet Union is either on the same turn as Germany, or later if the Russians pull too many troops out of Siberia (the computer AI will track this and will attack if Siberia is left too weak).

[keyser soze]

I appreciate your grand strategy moves but in another word you are saying that this game is not so non-linear as I thought.

To my opinion if Japan attacks USSR all Soviet units should be unfrozen because USSR officially went to war. USSR doesn’t have to attack Germany immediately at the west but they should be enabling to regroup all units.

Also in mentioned case when USSR unfrozen east part units attacks Germany units or vice versa all Soviet units should be unfrozen because with this act they are practicality declared war on each other.

[Joel Billings]

When Japan attacks Russia, the Soviets are all unfrozen in that they can move around within Russia or move east and attack Japan. They are not free to attack Germany at this point (or Turkey) but they certainly can react to Japan with all their forces if they want to.

ORIGINAL: keyser soze

I appreciate your grand strategy moves but in another word you are saying that this game is not so non-linear as I thought.

To my opinion if Japan attacks USSR all Soviet units should be unfrozen because USSR officially went to war. USSR doesn’t have to attack Germany immediately at the west but they should be enabling to regroup all units.

Also in mentioned case when USSR unfrozen east part units attacks Germany units or vice versa all Soviet units should be unfrozen because with this act they are practicality declared war on each other.

[keyser soze]

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

When Japan attacks Russia, the Soviets are all unfrozen in that they can move around within Russia or move east and attack Japan. They are not free to attack Germany at this point (or Turkey) but they certainly can react to Japan with all their forces if they want to.

Very good solution. This is something new? Haven’t seen that in alpha reports.

When Germany attacks USSR before Japan can USSR attack Japan or same rule is applied? I ask that because same logic (USSR also signed non aggression pact with Japan) can be applied on that case.

[paullus99]

Yes, you are correct that when Germany attacks Russia - all Russian units are unfozen, but the Far East remains static (Russia can pull troops out of the Far East or add them later on, but cannot conduct attacks with those units).

I hope that makes sense....[8|]