Greatest Military Bluffs

[EricDerKönig (HMB)]

ORIGINAL: terje439

Hmm I think Gøring must win this one, why??
- The Luftwaffe WILL finish of the BEF
- The Luftwaffe WILL defeat RAF
- The Luftwaffe WILL supply the 6th Army

[:D]

Usually when bluffing, though, you're trying to fool the enemy, not your own side [:D]

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: EricDerKönig (HMB)

ORIGINAL: terje439

Hmm I think Gøring must win this one, why??
- The Luftwaffe WILL finish of the BEF
- The Luftwaffe WILL defeat RAF
- The Luftwaffe WILL supply the 6th Army

[:D]

Usually when bluffing, though, you're trying to fool the enemy, not your own side [:D]

Propably why it worked so well then [:D]

[mogami]

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

While facing McClellan during the Peninsular campaign, along the Williamsport lines, Magruder used every trick in the book, (marching one regiment of troops up in full view of enemy troops, circling back under cover, marching up again; officers shouting out commands to non-existant troops; etc.) to convince McClellan that the north was outnumbered. Magruder employed the same old wheezes and successfully pinned down the union troops on the direct road to Richmond while R.E. Lee launched the first attacks of the Seven Days campaign.

McClellan was an idiot.

Hi, He only lost 2 battles. When you add up the numbers he did more damage to the enemy then he suffered. His only problem was he could not tell a victory from a defeat.
Lee is famous because Mac retreated after winning battles. During the 7 days the South only won 2 battles and were whipped in 5. Grant would have been in Richmond and people in the South would consider Lee a bloody fool who got his troops slaughtered.
This is when the AOP had a real numerical advantage. Grant did not have the ratio Mac did but he advanced. He advanced after he supposedly lost a battle so it is quite clear he would have advanced in Mac's place. Hell he would have attacked after the first battle and been in Richmond. (or not. I think he might have ignored Richmond and just pounded Lee into nothing with that 2-1 ratio)
In the 2 battles Mac lost he only used 1 corps (Porters) By day 3 of the 7 days Grant would have had the entire AOP engaged.
So he was not quite an idiot because he did win more often then he lost. But he was blind to the truth because he always thought Sept 17 1862 was his finest hour and it was his worst because it was the greatest waste of opportunity.
The American Civil War remains one of the most difficult to do in war games because almost every Union Player would be able if left alone to win the war before 1863.
A game needs many complicted rules that prevent the Union from coordinating offensives under compentant leaders. It has to treat Union victories as defeats. It has to prevent Union Armies (in the east at least) from using their entire force in a battle.

[Hexed Gamer]

If my woman was as cute as Bandkanon's avatar lass, I highly doubt I could stay focused on my wargames long enough to call it wargaming.

I would just take the next 10 years off and see to it she was there in 10 years as well dude.
You can always wargame, but you will eventually run out of cute lasses that will give you the time of day

Stop "trying" to get her, and make it happen.

[IronDuke_slith]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

While facing McClellan during the Peninsular campaign, along the Williamsport lines, Magruder used every trick in the book, (marching one regiment of troops up in full view of enemy troops, circling back under cover, marching up again; officers shouting out commands to non-existant troops; etc.) to convince McClellan that the north was outnumbered. Magruder employed the same old wheezes and successfully pinned down the union troops on the direct road to Richmond while R.E. Lee launched the first attacks of the Seven Days campaign.

McClellan was an idiot.

Hi, He only lost 2 battles. When you add up the numbers he did more damage to the enemy then he suffered. His only problem was he could not tell a victory from a defeat.
Lee is famous because Mac retreated after winning battles. During the 7 days the South only won 2 battles and were whipped in 5. Grant would have been in Richmond and people in the South would consider Lee a bloody fool who got his troops slaughtered.
This is when the AOP had a real numerical advantage. Grant did not have the ratio Mac did but he advanced. He advanced after he supposedly lost a battle so it is quite clear he would have advanced in Mac's place. Hell he would have attacked after the first battle and been in Richmond. (or not. I think he might have ignored Richmond and just pounded Lee into nothing with that 2-1 ratio)
In the 2 battles Mac lost he only used 1 corps (Porters) By day 3 of the 7 days Grant would have had the entire AOP engaged.
So he was not quite an idiot because he did win more often then he lost. But he was blind to the truth because he always thought Sept 17 1862 was his finest hour and it was his worst because it was the greatest waste of opportunity.
The American Civil War remains one of the most difficult to do in war games because almost every Union Player would be able if left alone to win the war before 1863.
A game needs many complicted rules that prevent the Union from coordinating offensives under compentant leaders. It has to treat Union victories as defeats. It has to prevent Union Armies (in the east at least) from using their entire force in a battle.

A good analysis, although I think Raver's had some merit too (despite its brevity, it's accurate IMHO). I think Maclellan was essentially a Quartermaster. You'll know as well as I that raw numbers are only part of the story. He was intimidated during the seven days, a quite debilitating trait in a General I think, and with a 2.1 advantage at Antietam, the infamous order found in the field in his hand and Lee displaying why the strategic offensive was not something he should ever have been overly encouraged to launch, McClellan made a right hash of it. From initial dispositions to piecemeal committment of troops, to failure to press the following day, it was a mess, and effectively condemned the Country to years more. I think a Grant, a Meade, probably even a Hooker would have won that day (Hooker would at least have thrown everything in, and big battalions have a quality of strategy all their very own).

Regards,
IronDuke

[Neilster]

ORIGINAL: Bandkanon

ORIGINAL: JallaTryne

Who is this girl on your picture, bandkanon? A forgotten female japanese general undercover? [:)]

She's this girl I'm trying to get with. I put her there so that I'll realize what a wargame geek I am and that I need to get off my fat ass and get to the gym ASAP.

I knew one of my girls was missing! [:@]It's so difficult to keep track of them all. Tell her to return to the palace at once![:'(]

Cheers, Neilster

[Larac]

Me, in thinking when I broke the left flank in BIN Caratean Sen, I had the Germans on the run.

Needless to say I had myself taken out and shot after the battle was done.

Lee

[mogami]

ORIGINAL: IronDuke


A good analysis, although I think Raver's had some merit too (despite its brevity, it's accurate IMHO). I think Maclellan was essentially a Quartermaster. You'll know as well as I that raw numbers are only part of the story. He was intimidated during the seven days, a quite debilitating trait in a General I think, and with a 2.1 advantage at Antietam, the infamous order found in the field in his hand and Lee displaying why the strategic offensive was not something he should ever have been overly encouraged to launch, McClellan made a right hash of it. From initial dispositions to piecemeal committment of troops, to failure to press the following day, it was a mess, and effectively condemned the Country to years more. I think a Grant, a Meade, probably even a Hooker would have won that day (Hooker would at least have thrown everything in, and big battalions have a quality of strategy all their very own).

Regards,
IronDuke

Hi, Well he was not an idiot. He had great mental capacity and even a genius for organazation. He was an excellent engineer. Understood logistics employed arty like a master. I think his single most glaring weakness was his need to be a saviour. For that he had to be facing great odds. He always thought and fought like Lee had 200,000 men. If someone could just have slapped some sense into him he might have been OK. But then there are good reasons to doubt this since long after the war was over and the truth was known he was still writting about the great odds he faced and overcame while in command. In that sense (the abilty to see reality and act accordingly) prehaps he was an idiot.

[ancient doctor]

Big Mc([:D]),erh i mean Small Mc wasnt stupid or incompetent at all.Very good in defence because of his engineer and organisation skills,his problem seemed to be that he constantly was thinking that Lee has twice his number of men.Now remember that by the time Little Mc was in charge the only way to scoot the enemy was cavalry and Union didnt had capable cavalry till then while the South had the best men and commander of the era in cavalry so it was easy for a already very capable general like Lee to cover his strenght and weakness in a way that whould blunder even the best opponent.
BTW Little Mc was also liked by his men because he was cautious and whoudlnt send them to death like someone else nicknamed "Butcher".
If you want talk for incompetent talk about Mack.[:D]