It there were another...

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:11 pm

*Italy campaign, from Sicily and on. Should present lots of hard-fought battles. That could almost be a direct sequel to MCNA...

*Eastern Front, almost any will do <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> Why not January -42 to February -43 (defeat of VI Army) from the Russian side. That would start off with lots of setbacks (with the disastrous -42 spring offensive), then lots and lots of fighting until victory is finally achieved in the south.

*Winter war.

*Operation Zitadelle. Any side. After all, it is a tank game we're playing <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

I'd like NOT to see Western European campaigns, there's enough of scenarios already, and good ones too! (Did i hear 'hated Hurtgen' <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> ) As for operation Bagration, that'd be as fun and even as Operation Barbarossa. Nothanks.

Don Eddins · Post by **Don Eddins** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:26 pm

Add another vote for either ..

Italian Campaign, or

Any of the previously suggested mid-war East Front Campaigns as the Soviets.

chief · Post by **chief** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:23 pm

ditto to xeno's reqest... ..--..
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panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:32 pm

Originally posted by Panzer Leo:

Yeah, right !!!

Axis Minors would really be cool !
Bulgarians is o.k., but Hungarians would do aswell or, and that's my favourite:
Romanians First Axis Minor, then Allied Minor against the Hungarians, great !!! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Add the Italians in Russia to the list, and the Greeks.
Let's make it really hard the Romanians, Hungarians and/or Italians defending in a Stalingrad time period campain. Can you stop those hoards of Russians?

Rambodoc · Post by **Rambodoc** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:36 pm

My Vote is for a west front american campaign following possibly the 1st infantry division or one covering a unit under Patton. I am having a great time with the current MC's and would buy any MC that Wild Bill had a hand in.

Jacc · Post by **Jacc** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:44 pm

Axis Minors here... These are perhaps bad ideas, since they need a lot of Finnish knowledge:

Winter War, Novermber 1939-March 1940. Heavy fighting against Soviet hordes.

Finns stop the Russian assault, 1944. Just a bit over a month, but I think it'll could be hectic (just play Buying the Time and you'll understand).

Otherwise the battles of New Guinea would be nice.

Redleg · Post by **Redleg** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:45 pm

If I had a vote, I would cast it for something different.

1. Winter War
2. Hungarians v Rumanians 44-45
3. Canadians
4. Polish
5. Continuation War - Leningrad area

rlc27 · Post by **rlc27** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:49 pm

Can't believe no one has mentioned Wacht Am Rhein-the Battle of the Bulge-it's what I've been dying to play a MC on--from either the American or German perspective (new MC idea--how about having the same total # of scenarios, but making it playable from both sides?).

From the German side, it would be neat to take control of, say, KG Peiper, or even one of the other KG's, like von der Heydte's (sp?).

This would be the perfect design sayonara to SPWAW before CL comes out--the definitive battle of the western front. It might also be very popular with people who have not yet played SPWAW, i.e. a general audience. At least here in the US.

Aw, please WB!

Redleg · Post by **Redleg** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:57 pm

I forgot -

I would really like to play the Soviet side on the Eastern front. The human would then have to take on a superior force for a change.

magresh · Post by **magresh** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 12:14 am

This is my first time on any forum but I couldn't help but add to this topic. Avalanche. The invasion of Salerno.
While I'm here I might as well give my thanks to everyone who worked on Steel Panthers World at War. I have wargamed for thirty years and this stuff is great. The Gaudalcanal campaign made me smile and the Mega Campaign of Watchtower was like a dream come true. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Magresh

RolandRahn_MatrixForum · Tue Jan 08, 2002 2:32 am

Just changed my mind about this.
I think that Matrix should look at the potential sales....
Let us assume that the MC comes out some weeks before the first CL module is expected.
The first CL module will be on the eastern front.
If the MC is about the eastern front, that will hurt the MC sales even before CL:Eastern front comes out.
I would love it to have a soviet MC, but from the point of sales, I doubt that it would be a wise decision.
What comes after CL:Moderna?
The PTO or the western ETO?
And when can we expect these modules?
How well was MCWT sold compared with MCNA?
I think that Matrix should just look at the numbers of CDs sold.
And towards potential customers.
If there is a chance to break into the PRC market, make an MC:Mao's long march.
If there is a chance to sell ten thousend CDs in Japan, make a CD "The rising sun".

Just some thoughts.

Kind regards,
Roland

Frank W. · Post by **Frank W.** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 2:48 am

Originally posted by kendokabob:
Can't believe no one has mentioned Wacht Am Rhein-the Battle of the Bulge-it's what I've been dying to play a MC on--from either the American or German perspective (new MC idea--how about having the same total # of scenarios, but making it playable from both sides?).

From the German side, it would be neat to take control of, say, KG Peiper, or even one of the other KG's, like von der Heydte's (sp?).

This would be the perfect design sayonara to SPWAW before CL comes out--the definitive battle of the western front. It might also be very popular with people who have not yet played SPWAW, i.e. a general audience. At least here in the US.

Aw, please WB!

yes, i agree.

"german´s last blitzkrieg" this
campaign should be called.

nice,or?

was always quite fascinated by the battle of the bulge,don´t know why excatly....

lnp4668 · Post by **lnp4668** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 3:11 am

I'll play anything, as long as I could drag myself away from the email games. So little time <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

MarkFroio · Post by **MarkFroio** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 3:26 am

I'd like to see:

1) Normandy to the Rhine as US
2) Sicily and Italy as US
3) Battle of Bulge as either force
4) Eastern Front Nov. 42 thru August 43 as either

Thanks for asking.

bobaloo000 · Post by **bobaloo000** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 3:42 am

1. Japan in East Asia 1938 - 1941. Just before Pearl Harbor. Including battles with the Soviets.

2. Italy in the Balkans.

3. Market Garden or how about one based on Band of Brothers.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 3:47 am

Wow! What a response! I'm very impressed. Magresh, nice post. Glad to see you've jumped into the gaming pool.

The enthusiasm is there. I like all of these. So much to choose, so little time.

My personal philosophy is that a Mega Campaign should be (1)fun, (2)challenging, and (3) a real learning experience. By the last one I mean that it should be something that after we have played it, we have learned some things, seen some things that are a new experience for us.

With that in mind I see two options: A large mega campaign is the first. The Mediterranean, Sicily and Italy 43-45. Perhaps a focus on the Texas Division (36th Infantry Division). Here we could all learn some new things, more about Salerno, Anzio, Cassino, Rome, Apennines, Italian compatriots,Mountain Divisions, British, Aussies, and so much more. The Italian campaign is one we can all learn a lot about.

The second one is (2) a series of smaller Mega Campaigns. That would include a lot of those mentioned, Poland vs Germany, France 40, Torch, Kursk, Bagration, the Minor Countries (Balkans), or one on a commando group. Perhaps Merrill's Marauders, Battle of the Bulge, Market Garden, Stalingrad...all of these would make nice little Mega Campaigns of 15-20 battles with documentation and pics, etc.

One point I want to clarify. There are no random battles in Mega Campaigns to my knowledge. Your choices are determined by your success in the two I have done, with an occasional option to go in one direction or another, both of which are historical. I tend to shy away from fictional or hypothetical ones as I like the historical aspect and info in a Mega Campaign. You?

If Matrix backed it, perhaps a CD with either one big Mega Campaign or three smaller ones might do well.

One thing at this point we should not look for, and that is major changes in SPWAW itself. The programmers have to move on to new projects. Some minor changes and improvements, but we'll have to take the "Lady" pretty much as is.

So read this over, and let me know if we are thinking correctly. No promises, but it is on my mind. I would need to convince Matrix that is feasible, practical and would be worth the effort.

Wild Bill

swagman · Post by **swagman** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 4:32 am

Wild Bill...I have nothing but administration for your dedication and enthusiasm...and I think your proposal for the last MC are spot on.

As far as the east is concerned, an extended campaign with Russian core is already well underway with the Campaign Collective...covering the whole war...while this is not the same as a MC it offers many aspects of battle that players have expressed interest in...battles around before barbarossa, counterattacks before moscow, stalingrad and in part 2 I anticipate kursk, AG Centre, and Berlin...as I understand it will be nearing a hundred battles...battles with swamping german forces and ultimately I expect. shoot-outs between JS-2's and Tigers.

While the pacific offers many battles, I don't think it has the same scope for a MC as other theatres...I can't seem them being significantly different to Watchtower...only placed in a different locale...

The question is what haven't we got and would like as a last testament to SPWAW...I think a MC needs to focus on a campaign that was extended in real history...which makes Italy ideal.

The other proposal of mini-campaigns is great...there are many important battles which didn't extend long-enough to be a MC...eg Kursk, Market Garden, Bulge all only went for a few days or weeks...while other campaigns lacked, in my view, the breadth of scope and diversity of situations that a MC campaign deserves, whether the Italians in the Balkans or a minor power in Russia.

I would like to see both Italy and a mini-MC collection, but if it one or the other then my vote would go to Italy...since there are already a lot of shorter campaigns available.

Thanks Bill.

achappelle · Post by **achappelle** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 4:51 am

Whatever form the next MC takes, it should be one where the AI is predominately on the defensive. As we all know the AI doesn't attack all that smart, despite your best efforts, and it's a lot more fun and challenging to attack, rather than defend.
Also, I'm going to try and stuff the ballot box with another Italian campaign vote.

Don Doom · Post by **Don Doom** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 5:18 am

Well, The Master already knows what my preferences are. But The pacific theater has lots of promise. Like Marshels Inlands, phillipines, okanawa,iwo jima. Hint Hint Hint.[Last one was fun to make and I did learn more about the pacific theater].
That is all. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Figmo · Post by **Figmo** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 6:55 am

The "Soft Underbelly" campaign sounds good to me. Maybe you could have it where once and a while you can choose to be the British for some battles then the Americans. Maybe even a few as the French. A real Allies campaign.