Codename Sydney, Mogami(J) vs sveint(A)
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RE: CV strike Bismarck Sea
Hi, Just for the record. I never in UV or in WITP send a TF out that does not have air cover and a support TF in range. Had you engaged those transport TF with surface TF's yesterday there would have been a surface battle today from their support. My surface combat TF had to retire at high speed when your CV attacked.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
Day 2 Battle of Bismarck Sea
On 1-23-42 Japanese sink another 3 CA and 1 DD however the USN gets a bit of revenge.
On the day the USN attacked the Japanese transports The IJN CV were waiting for their oilers to refuel. After I ordered the CV to head west I did not remove the "follow" order from the AO. (They had CAP from Truk)
At least one USN CV SBD group relocated to Rabaul after yesterdays battle. Today it found the Hosho (part of the replenishment TF) and hit it with a number of 1000lb bombs.
The replenishment had followed the CV out from under their CAP protection.
On the day the USN attacked the Japanese transports The IJN CV were waiting for their oilers to refuel. After I ordered the CV to head west I did not remove the "follow" order from the AO. (They had CAP from Truk)
At least one USN CV SBD group relocated to Rabaul after yesterdays battle. Today it found the Hosho (part of the replenishment TF) and hit it with a number of 1000lb bombs.
The replenishment had followed the CV out from under their CAP protection.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
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RE: CV strike Bismarck Sea
ORIGINAL: sveint
In fact I never checked the range because I'd 'spotted' KB in DEI for 3 days straight.
My fault in the end, but I still find it hard to believe that (in the real WW2) anything could have been reported this wrong. At least now I know it happens in the game.
ähem,
the Destroyer Hamman and one Fleet Oiler Neosho (sp?) were interpreted as "one BB escorting one CV". The japs flew off to them, thinking they were hitting the allied CV TF in the Battle of the Coral Sea.... #
you see it happend in WWII too [;)]
RE: CV strike Bismarck Sea
But 5 CVs to days in a row? Never was 5 CVs reported when none were present.... anyway, I've learnt now. Too bad at horrible cost.
- Oliver Heindorf
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RE: CV strike Bismarck Sea
OK, with days in a row it really seems to be a litlle bit odd [:)]
anyway, you have to live with it now and I am sure you can handle it [8D]
our game turn will follow in 3 hours

anyway, you have to live with it now and I am sure you can handle it [8D]
our game turn will follow in 3 hours


RE: CV strike Bismarck Sea
Hi, What is the experiance level of the reporting pilots? Even experianced pilots seeing the same thing give differnt reports.
During battle of Midway the CA's Mikuma and Mogami (sister ships) were attacked by USN groups. The pilots could see both ships as they picked one to attack.
Following the battle the USN pilots did not report the attack as "2 IJN CA same Class"
But like this "I attacked the BB on the port side of the CL"
" I seen my bomb hit the large crusier"
This was many pilots seeing the same 2 ships and none of them gave the correct ID of what they saw. (USN fighter pilots after Coral Sea claimed to shot down a number of "Me-109's"
During battle of Midway the CA's Mikuma and Mogami (sister ships) were attacked by USN groups. The pilots could see both ships as they picked one to attack.
Following the battle the USN pilots did not report the attack as "2 IJN CA same Class"
But like this "I attacked the BB on the port side of the CL"
" I seen my bomb hit the large crusier"
This was many pilots seeing the same 2 ships and none of them gave the correct ID of what they saw. (USN fighter pilots after Coral Sea claimed to shot down a number of "Me-109's"
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
- Oliver Heindorf
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RE: CV strike Bismarck Sea
ORIGINAL: Mogami
(USN fighter pilots after Coral Sea claimed to shot down a number of "Me-109's"
IF they HAD reportet THAT to me, they would have been released of the USN. reason :"Your eyes are too bad and there is nothing we can do about it."
RE: CV strike Bismarck Sea
LOL, that reminds me of the 1949 movie Battleground:
"Ok guys we are on patrol. We are supposed to report to G-2 if we hear any German voices in Japanes."
"We should tell G-2 we heard voices in Japanese, and see what they can make of that!"
"Ok guys we are on patrol. We are supposed to report to G-2 if we hear any German voices in Japanes."
"We should tell G-2 we heard voices in Japanese, and see what they can make of that!"
Designer of War Plan Orange
Allied Naval OOBer of Admiral's Edition
Naval Team Lead for War in the Med
Author of Million-Dollar Barrage: American Field Artillery in the Great War coming soon from OU Press.
Allied Naval OOBer of Admiral's Edition
Naval Team Lead for War in the Med
Author of Million-Dollar Barrage: American Field Artillery in the Great War coming soon from OU Press.
RE: CV strike Bismarck Sea
Hi, The moral of this stroy is.........Unless you have a contact report that locates a ship BY NAME you don't know where that ship is.
When you get a contact report by ship class it means you have some intell as yet that is incomplete and requires further development. To develop accurate intell from Patrol sightings. Move a submarine over to look (subs always report what they see by name. They may not contact the entire TF but whatever they contact you will have 100 percent certainty. Increase the number of Patrol aircraft. Assign high experiance pilots. (Recon groups can fly Naval Patrol) Check your intell report. There are from time to time innocent looking reports like
"Radio transmission detected in hex xx,yy" When hex "xx,yy" is an all sea hex then...........
I have said this countless times before. When you don't know where an enemy force is then operate as if that force is where it can do the most harm. If your not 100 percent sure then the enemy is not where you want him to be. It does not matter if you have reports of 5xCV in a hex for 10 days. The Japanese have at start 10 ships that can be reported as CV without your patrol planses calling AK or CA or BB a CV by mistake.
The first report of a TF containing a CVE will list the ship as a CV. (or a BB) The only report that tells you enough to say to yourself "I know exactly where Kaga is" is one that reports CV Kaga course xx speed xx hex xx,yy Then you know.
(I didn't have a clue where those 2 USN CV where before they launched their strikes)(Thats why I had my CV down there. Just in case)
When you get a contact report by ship class it means you have some intell as yet that is incomplete and requires further development. To develop accurate intell from Patrol sightings. Move a submarine over to look (subs always report what they see by name. They may not contact the entire TF but whatever they contact you will have 100 percent certainty. Increase the number of Patrol aircraft. Assign high experiance pilots. (Recon groups can fly Naval Patrol) Check your intell report. There are from time to time innocent looking reports like
"Radio transmission detected in hex xx,yy" When hex "xx,yy" is an all sea hex then...........
I have said this countless times before. When you don't know where an enemy force is then operate as if that force is where it can do the most harm. If your not 100 percent sure then the enemy is not where you want him to be. It does not matter if you have reports of 5xCV in a hex for 10 days. The Japanese have at start 10 ships that can be reported as CV without your patrol planses calling AK or CA or BB a CV by mistake.
The first report of a TF containing a CVE will list the ship as a CV. (or a BB) The only report that tells you enough to say to yourself "I know exactly where Kaga is" is one that reports CV Kaga course xx speed xx hex xx,yy Then you know.
(I didn't have a clue where those 2 USN CV where before they launched their strikes)(Thats why I had my CV down there. Just in case)
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
RE: CV strike Bismarck Sea
Allied Sitrep, Jan 26
As you can see from the attached report, things took a turn for the worse. [8|]
I was going to say what my defenses are like at this time but that would be unwise... suffice to say that all areas are looking good except for one, which should be reinforce shortly. My original plan was to stay on defense for the entire 6 months of 42... I should have stuck to it and now I will. I guess I can say this much: I'm hoping Mogami will be trying to expand beyond what Japan did historically, will be interesting to see what headway they can do against prepared defenses.
DEI: Dutch doing a good, historical job.
Philippines: Falling sooner rather than later.
Burma: Very happy with the situation here. British naval forces are even decent as they've had no losses. (Many people discount them but they are the only allied ships with good night experience).
China: Very happy here. Things move slowly though.
As you can see from the attached report, things took a turn for the worse. [8|]
I was going to say what my defenses are like at this time but that would be unwise... suffice to say that all areas are looking good except for one, which should be reinforce shortly. My original plan was to stay on defense for the entire 6 months of 42... I should have stuck to it and now I will. I guess I can say this much: I'm hoping Mogami will be trying to expand beyond what Japan did historically, will be interesting to see what headway they can do against prepared defenses.
DEI: Dutch doing a good, historical job.
Philippines: Falling sooner rather than later.
Burma: Very happy with the situation here. British naval forces are even decent as they've had no losses. (Many people discount them but they are the only allied ships with good night experience).
China: Very happy here. Things move slowly though.
RE: CV strike Bismarck Sea
Mogami; shark in water, fish on land?
(Can Mogami be taunted? Probably not).
(Can Mogami be taunted? Probably not).
Allied SITREP 2-22-42
Things are looking fairly solid at the moment. Quick overview of the various fronts:
China - Defense established, we're going on the offensive.
India/Burma - Defense established. Offensive capabilities will be ready in May.
DEI - The Dutch have more or less been left to themselves. Strangely Japan has made no further moves the last week.
Australia - Defense established, offensive capabilities will be ready in May.
Pacific Islands/Hawaii - Defense under development, it's fairly solid. Offensive capabilities are highly classified.

China - Defense established, we're going on the offensive.
India/Burma - Defense established. Offensive capabilities will be ready in May.
DEI - The Dutch have more or less been left to themselves. Strangely Japan has made no further moves the last week.
Australia - Defense established, offensive capabilities will be ready in May.
Pacific Islands/Hawaii - Defense under development, it's fairly solid. Offensive capabilities are highly classified.

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RE: Allied SITREP 2-22-42
China. Offensives are in progress. So far this has been Japan's weakest front by far. Long term goal = inflict heavy damage and liberate non-coastal cities.
I did test something new: attacking Canton. Mogami has a bombardment fleet in defense however, which i hurting me. My swordfish did land one torpedo in a BB but otherwise these are free points for Japan. Too bad my troops are too stupid to disengage. [:(]

I did test something new: attacking Canton. Mogami has a bombardment fleet in defense however, which i hurting me. My swordfish did land one torpedo in a BB but otherwise these are free points for Japan. Too bad my troops are too stupid to disengage. [:(]

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Burma is 100% quiet. No Japanese forces to be seen. We're using resources to train our bombers. AVG is deployed here.


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DEI: No further Japanese moves. Wonder what's going on? For reference, Philippines and Singapore have fallen.


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Solomons are fairly quiet too.


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Canton Island, February 22. This just in...


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Hi, Phase I IJN ship refit period in progress. Waiting for airfields to build to extend air control for future movements. Force relocation in progress.
Burma. Japan has reached objectives.
DEI Operation in progress
Solomons Operation in progress
Central Pacific Operation in progress
China operation to commence soon.
Everything according to plan.
(It is calm and sunny in the eye of a hurricane)
Burma. Japan has reached objectives.
DEI Operation in progress
Solomons Operation in progress
Central Pacific Operation in progress
China operation to commence soon.
Everything according to plan.
(It is calm and sunny in the eye of a hurricane)
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
RE: Allied SITREP 2-22-42
China according to plan? Ah, so even the mighty Mogami succumbs to propaganda. [:D]
This just in...

This just in...

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